1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,050 Congressman . Thank you . Uh , what 2 00:00:03,050 --> 00:00:05,217 I'll tell you is we're in the business 3 00:00:05,217 --> 00:00:07,439 of making sure that never happens . And 4 00:00:07,439 --> 00:00:09,550 so to do that , we need predictable , 5 00:00:09,550 --> 00:00:12,390 adequate timely and sustained funding 6 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,390 over time . Uh , and in order to do 7 00:00:15,390 --> 00:00:17,501 that , we've got to have soldiers who 8 00:00:17,501 --> 00:00:19,700 are ready today for tomorrow's 9 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:22,640 challenges . Who knew that we would be 10 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:24,970 conducting the neo operation out of 11 00:00:24,970 --> 00:00:27,081 Afghanistan last year . Who knew that 12 00:00:27,081 --> 00:00:29,081 we'd be in Ethiopia this year , Who 13 00:00:29,081 --> 00:00:31,081 knew we'd be doing operation Allies 14 00:00:31,081 --> 00:00:33,710 welcome . Those are all expressions of 15 00:00:33,710 --> 00:00:35,710 the army's ability to provide ready 16 00:00:35,710 --> 00:00:38,620 forces to respond to things that 17 00:00:38,620 --> 00:00:41,030 happened in the world as it pertains to 18 00:00:41,030 --> 00:00:43,141 securing this nation's interests . We 19 00:00:43,141 --> 00:00:45,363 need a ready army . And so we need that 20 00:00:45,363 --> 00:00:47,363 consistent , predictable funding in 21 00:00:47,363 --> 00:00:49,363 order to be able to do that for our 22 00:00:49,363 --> 00:00:51,640 readiness accounts . Uh , we've asked 23 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,630 for more money in 22 many of the sub 24 00:00:54,630 --> 00:00:57,310 activity groups that we did uh , in in 25 00:00:57,310 --> 00:00:59,900 21 we won't be able to to use that 26 00:00:59,900 --> 00:01:02,067 money to do that . And so are units as 27 00:01:02,067 --> 00:01:04,067 we speak in month four of a 12 year 28 00:01:04,067 --> 00:01:07,580 plan budget are , are , are executing 29 00:01:07,580 --> 00:01:09,636 their training , but it's not at the 30 00:01:09,636 --> 00:01:11,802 level that we planned on doing because 31 00:01:11,802 --> 00:01:13,913 we don't have all the funding that we 32 00:01:13,913 --> 00:01:16,136 should have gotten with the 22 budget . 33 00:01:16,136 --> 00:01:18,247 So even right now , if we stop the cr 34 00:01:18,247 --> 00:01:20,136 today , there's been a four month 35 00:01:20,136 --> 00:01:22,024 impact . The United States Army . 36 00:01:22,024 --> 00:01:24,136 There's also , uh , the , the , the , 37 00:01:24,136 --> 00:01:26,358 the supply chain that provides parts to 38 00:01:26,358 --> 00:01:28,460 our forces that's impacted by this 39 00:01:28,460 --> 00:01:30,540 because they expected to execute so 40 00:01:30,540 --> 00:01:33,480 many so much operational activity this 41 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,000 year and with that decrease , there's 42 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,850 an impact on our ability to , to 43 00:01:37,850 --> 00:01:39,820 forecast sales within the working 44 00:01:39,820 --> 00:01:42,900 capital fund and make contracts between 45 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:44,678 that entity and contractors and 46 00:01:44,678 --> 00:01:47,440 suppliers across this country . And so 47 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,460 it's a huge impact when we can't 48 00:01:49,470 --> 00:01:52,780 predict accurately exactly how much 49 00:01:52,780 --> 00:01:55,002 money we're going to have and we change 50 00:01:55,002 --> 00:01:57,002 what we're planning to do , because 51 00:01:57,002 --> 00:01:59,113 we're all about building readiness in 52 00:01:59,113 --> 00:01:58,960 the United States Army congressman , 53 00:02:00,340 --> 00:02:02,710 thank you . And lastly , General Brown 54 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,430 is a patent , famously referred to 55 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,050 Rommel , I read the book and I read uh 56 00:02:09,060 --> 00:02:11,171 in the process of reading your book , 57 00:02:11,171 --> 00:02:13,150 accelerate change or lose . We're 58 00:02:13,150 --> 00:02:15,372 clearly not accelerating . So once it's 59 00:02:15,372 --> 00:02:17,428 sticking and how our adversaries are 60 00:02:17,428 --> 00:02:19,483 taking advantage of our inability to 61 00:02:19,483 --> 00:02:21,817 adapt to the current threat environment , 62 00:02:21,817 --> 00:02:24,870 especially in space . Well , I'll 63 00:02:24,870 --> 00:02:26,703 actually probably prefer Digital 64 00:02:26,703 --> 00:02:28,814 Raymond on space , but I'll just tell 65 00:02:28,814 --> 00:02:28,040 you from the , from the Air Force 66 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,984 perspective , the thing I do think 67 00:02:29,984 --> 00:02:32,290 about uh recommend to calvert is the 68 00:02:32,290 --> 00:02:34,530 aspect of our adversaries are 69 00:02:34,540 --> 00:02:36,651 increasing our capability . That puts 70 00:02:36,651 --> 00:02:38,740 us at a disadvantage . And and by uh 71 00:02:38,750 --> 00:02:41,840 slowing down our pace of acquiring 72 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,007 capability , maintaining our rangers , 73 00:02:44,007 --> 00:02:46,173 take care of permanent families has an 74 00:02:46,173 --> 00:02:48,396 impact to be able to be able to terse . 75 00:02:48,396 --> 00:02:50,340 We don't get in the situation that 76 00:02:50,340 --> 00:02:52,562 General martin just described vis a vis 77 00:02:52,562 --> 00:02:54,784 Russia and Ukraine , I'll just , if you 78 00:02:54,784 --> 00:02:54,200 don't mind , I'll turn to general range 79 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,631 on this space capability . So what we 80 00:02:56,631 --> 00:02:58,853 remain the best in the world in space . 81 00:02:58,853 --> 00:03:00,576 We've got incredible exquisite 82 00:03:00,576 --> 00:03:02,742 capabilities . But they were built for 83 00:03:02,742 --> 00:03:02,250 a different domain . They're built for 84 00:03:02,250 --> 00:03:04,320 benign domain without a threat . The 85 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,080 domain that we see today is is 86 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,790 threatened from a full full spectrum of 87 00:03:08,790 --> 00:03:10,846 threats . Everything from reversible 88 00:03:10,846 --> 00:03:12,734 jamming to kinetic destruction is 89 00:03:12,734 --> 00:03:14,734 demonstrated by Russia . We have to 90 00:03:14,734 --> 00:03:16,901 modernize , we have to make that shift 91 00:03:16,901 --> 00:03:18,901 and we are losing time . That's why 92 00:03:18,901 --> 00:03:21,290 this uh not having a CRS super critical 93 00:03:21,290 --> 00:03:23,068 to us . We have to move out and 94 00:03:23,068 --> 00:03:24,790 modernize the more resilient , 95 00:03:24,790 --> 00:03:26,901 defendable architecture that can meet 96 00:03:26,901 --> 00:03:28,901 the demands of a contested domain . 97 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,010 Thank you very much . Gentlemen . You 98 00:03:32,010 --> 00:03:34,370 and I were we're right right in the 99 00:03:34,370 --> 00:03:36,703 sweet spot with the same amount of time . 100 00:03:36,703 --> 00:03:40,060 So now I will turn to um uh full full 101 00:03:40,060 --> 00:03:42,282 chair of the appropriations committee . 102 00:03:42,282 --> 00:03:46,280 Mr laurel . Thank you , madam . Chair . 103 00:03:46,290 --> 00:03:49,190 Um I wanted to make a comment first 104 00:03:49,190 --> 00:03:52,150 before my questions . Um The debate 105 00:03:52,150 --> 00:03:55,300 over riders is going to occur and as 106 00:03:55,300 --> 00:03:57,356 far as I know about negotiating , an 107 00:03:57,356 --> 00:04:01,250 ultimatum is not is not negotiating 108 00:04:01,260 --> 00:04:04,230 uh as it has been in the past in the 109 00:04:04,230 --> 00:04:06,650 past , there will be a very robust 110 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:10,430 debate around policy issues 111 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,680 uh and writers and you know , the fact 112 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,460 is I may not get everything that I want 113 00:04:16,470 --> 00:04:18,692 and you may not get everything that you 114 00:04:18,692 --> 00:04:21,350 want , but that is about a negotiation . 115 00:04:21,350 --> 00:04:23,572 And that means that you need to come to 116 00:04:23,572 --> 00:04:26,140 the table to have that conversation . 117 00:04:26,140 --> 00:04:28,140 And as I said to date there has not 118 00:04:28,140 --> 00:04:30,307 been a single piece of paper outlining 119 00:04:30,307 --> 00:04:32,490 what it is um that our colleagues on 120 00:04:32,490 --> 00:04:34,870 the other side of the aisle would would 121 00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:38,040 like um uh there has to be a discussion 122 00:04:38,050 --> 00:04:41,020 especially uh and and looking at why 123 00:04:41,020 --> 00:04:43,260 would we jeopardize our national 124 00:04:43,260 --> 00:04:45,840 security . There's already been a four 125 00:04:45,840 --> 00:04:48,530 month delay and as has been described 126 00:04:48,530 --> 00:04:50,970 causing serious consequences and our 127 00:04:50,970 --> 00:04:53,950 adversaries gaining an advantage . And 128 00:04:53,950 --> 00:04:56,560 with that let me ask those who have not 129 00:04:56,570 --> 00:05:00,180 um really addressed the issue of the 130 00:05:00,180 --> 00:05:02,990 importance of recruiting and retraining . 131 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,880 Um uh and and and in order to recruit 132 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:09,102 and to retain the best fighting force . 133 00:05:09,102 --> 00:05:12,150 Um uh We when we talk about military 134 00:05:12,150 --> 00:05:14,160 readiness readiness and each of the 135 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,216 services faces a unique challenge on 136 00:05:16,216 --> 00:05:18,327 the military personnel side , whether 137 00:05:18,327 --> 00:05:20,049 you've got a pilot shortage or 138 00:05:20,049 --> 00:05:23,280 appropriately manning ships . So um how 139 00:05:23,280 --> 00:05:25,447 would you know I want to ask those who 140 00:05:25,447 --> 00:05:27,558 have not answered this question . How 141 00:05:27,558 --> 00:05:29,336 would a full year cr impact the 142 00:05:29,336 --> 00:05:31,391 services , your service's ability to 143 00:05:31,391 --> 00:05:34,030 recruit and to retain the force you 144 00:05:34,030 --> 00:05:36,650 need to meet the challenges that our 145 00:05:36,650 --> 00:05:38,420 nation is facing . 146 00:05:41,140 --> 00:05:41,550 Yeah . 147 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:47,640 When you've done you've done a good 148 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,696 being respectful of one another . So 149 00:05:49,696 --> 00:05:51,584 who would ever like to go first . 150 00:05:51,584 --> 00:05:54,060 That's right . Don't be shy . Uh 151 00:05:54,070 --> 00:05:57,800 General burger I think probably for 152 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,967 us they're no different than the other 153 00:05:59,967 --> 00:06:01,856 services if you have a fixed bank 154 00:06:01,856 --> 00:06:03,911 account . And you you have the force 155 00:06:03,911 --> 00:06:06,133 that you have inflation has gone up and 156 00:06:06,133 --> 00:06:08,244 you have a pay raise and you're gonna 157 00:06:08,244 --> 00:06:10,760 slow down recruiting . And what does 158 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,538 that mean ? That means that the 159 00:06:12,538 --> 00:06:15,630 recruiter in , in Iowa or colorado or 160 00:06:15,630 --> 00:06:17,797 pennsylvania is gonna have to tell the 161 00:06:17,797 --> 00:06:19,852 people that they're working with . I 162 00:06:19,852 --> 00:06:21,908 can't bring you onto , I can't bring 163 00:06:21,908 --> 00:06:24,074 you onto active duty . I can't recruit 164 00:06:24,074 --> 00:06:26,241 you now . Can you please wait Uh , 8 , 165 00:06:26,241 --> 00:06:28,297 10 , 12 months and then we can break 166 00:06:28,297 --> 00:06:31,060 your line . And as my peers mentioned , 167 00:06:31,070 --> 00:06:33,070 of course they can't wait . They're 168 00:06:33,070 --> 00:06:35,237 going , they need cops , they're gonna 169 00:06:35,237 --> 00:06:37,237 go look for work elsewhere . So the 170 00:06:37,237 --> 00:06:39,460 very , the , the war for talent the , 171 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,030 that , that , that is the world , that 172 00:06:43,030 --> 00:06:45,252 is the world today . They , they're not 173 00:06:45,252 --> 00:06:47,252 gonna win . Just as general Raymond 174 00:06:47,252 --> 00:06:49,310 said , I think the recruiter at the 175 00:06:49,310 --> 00:06:51,421 recruiter level at the bottom level , 176 00:06:51,421 --> 00:06:53,532 they're gonna try to hold on to their 177 00:06:53,532 --> 00:06:55,532 pool and tell them to wait , wait , 178 00:06:55,532 --> 00:06:57,532 wait . And those , those , uh , the 179 00:06:57,532 --> 00:06:59,532 high school graduates , the college 180 00:06:59,532 --> 00:07:01,866 graduates are not gonna be able to wait . 181 00:07:01,866 --> 00:07:03,977 So a year from now . In other words , 182 00:07:03,977 --> 00:07:06,088 when , when we do have appropriations 183 00:07:06,088 --> 00:07:08,310 and we can't afford to start recruiting 184 00:07:08,310 --> 00:07:10,532 in in the numbers , we need the quality 185 00:07:10,532 --> 00:07:12,643 won't be , so recruiters will have to 186 00:07:12,643 --> 00:07:15,400 look in different directions to fill 187 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,344 the ranks , The holes that we have 188 00:07:17,344 --> 00:07:19,400 retention , I think will be the same 189 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,289 way if we have to go the route of 190 00:07:21,289 --> 00:07:23,067 bonuses . If we start to affect 191 00:07:23,067 --> 00:07:25,840 retention , then the same war for 192 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,230 talent exists For those who have 67 , 193 00:07:28,230 --> 00:07:30,508 10 years of experience , they'll leave , 194 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:32,784 they'll leave because they have to 195 00:07:32,784 --> 00:07:34,840 support their families and they need 196 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,618 some confidence that there your 197 00:07:36,618 --> 00:07:39,590 employer has , has their back and , and , 198 00:07:39,590 --> 00:07:42,260 and it's gonna compete in that market . 199 00:07:42,740 --> 00:07:44,740 If that's not the case will leave , 200 00:07:45,540 --> 00:07:47,484 then I'll turn it over to my other 201 00:07:47,484 --> 00:07:51,230 peers . Man , This is admiral guilty . 202 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,470 Um , if I could just also tie together 203 00:07:53,470 --> 00:07:56,100 accessions and uh , and uh , and , and 204 00:07:56,100 --> 00:07:58,940 retention real quick as Secretary 205 00:07:58,940 --> 00:08:01,162 McCord mentioned the way we're going to 206 00:08:01,162 --> 00:08:04,800 pay for that 2.7% pay raise is through 207 00:08:04,810 --> 00:08:07,420 cutting of sessions . Uh , cutting , uh , 208 00:08:07,430 --> 00:08:09,490 reenlistment bonuses , incentive 209 00:08:09,490 --> 00:08:12,200 bonuses and also by reducing permanent 210 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,256 change of station moves . So for the 211 00:08:14,256 --> 00:08:17,210 Navy , we've got about 145,000 sailors 212 00:08:17,210 --> 00:08:20,030 at sea over the past year . A year ago , 213 00:08:20,030 --> 00:08:23,180 we had 10,000 of those Those billets 214 00:08:23,180 --> 00:08:25,347 that were gap . We've been able to cut 215 00:08:25,347 --> 00:08:28,220 that down by by more than half . So 216 00:08:28,230 --> 00:08:30,510 about 3% of our ability at sea right 217 00:08:30,510 --> 00:08:32,810 now our gap and we adjust to make up 218 00:08:32,820 --> 00:08:35,750 for that . If we cut our sessions by 219 00:08:35,750 --> 00:08:39,100 75% that , that's 23,000 220 00:08:39,100 --> 00:08:41,240 sailors , we are again going to 221 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,860 exacerbate that gap at sea in a place 222 00:08:43,940 --> 00:08:46,750 where we need it at least at the same 223 00:08:46,750 --> 00:08:49,040 time . We're trying to entice sailors 224 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,450 are best sailors to stay in the navy , 225 00:08:51,460 --> 00:08:53,349 but we're cutting those and their 226 00:08:53,349 --> 00:08:55,182 families were not just retaining 227 00:08:55,182 --> 00:08:57,404 sailors were retaining families . We're 228 00:08:57,404 --> 00:08:59,293 going to have to cut reenlistment 229 00:08:59,293 --> 00:09:01,516 bonuses , incentive bonuses to keep the 230 00:09:01,516 --> 00:09:03,404 best in . So that's also going to 231 00:09:03,404 --> 00:09:05,460 exacerbate , uh , that those gaps to 232 00:09:05,460 --> 00:09:07,682 see again where we need those people in 233 00:09:07,682 --> 00:09:09,904 most At the tip of the spear . Uh , and 234 00:09:09,904 --> 00:09:12,390 then , uh , with respect to PCS moves . 235 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:14,511 Um , so we're going to reduce those , 236 00:09:14,511 --> 00:09:17,050 but we think around 37,000 , which is 237 00:09:17,050 --> 00:09:19,440 about half of our moves for next year . 238 00:09:19,450 --> 00:09:22,240 Those are families as the common . Uh , 239 00:09:22,250 --> 00:09:24,306 so eloquently articulated earlier in 240 00:09:24,306 --> 00:09:26,361 his comments , there are people that 241 00:09:26,361 --> 00:09:28,528 have already taken jobs , spouses that 242 00:09:28,528 --> 00:09:30,620 are already planned on taking jobs , 243 00:09:30,630 --> 00:09:32,900 school plans that have been made , uh , 244 00:09:32,910 --> 00:09:34,743 that are gonna have to be , uh , 245 00:09:34,743 --> 00:09:36,910 they're gonna have to be curtailed and 246 00:09:36,910 --> 00:09:39,077 then we again risk breaking faith with 247 00:09:39,077 --> 00:09:41,690 our sailors in their family . Thanks 248 00:09:41,690 --> 00:09:45,240 for the opportunity . Sure , May I say 249 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,462 a couple things to please ? Yes , thank 250 00:09:47,462 --> 00:09:50,660 you . Jim . Uh , so I agree with 251 00:09:50,660 --> 00:09:53,050 everything that general burger and 252 00:09:53,050 --> 00:09:56,270 Admiral guild a said , uh , these are 253 00:09:56,270 --> 00:09:58,900 measures that we may have to do in the 254 00:09:58,900 --> 00:10:01,480 United States Army , but I can tell you 255 00:10:01,490 --> 00:10:03,657 that there's a couple of things I know 256 00:10:03,657 --> 00:10:05,823 for sure that are going to happen as a 257 00:10:05,823 --> 00:10:07,934 result of this and once again , we've 258 00:10:07,934 --> 00:10:07,660 got eight months left in the year , 259 00:10:07,660 --> 00:10:09,827 we've gotta , we've gotta watch things 260 00:10:09,827 --> 00:10:12,960 very closely prioritize , but God 261 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,960 forbid if we have to do it . But so 262 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,016 we're gonna , we're gonna bring in a 263 00:10:17,016 --> 00:10:19,127 full cohort of our second lieutenants 264 00:10:19,127 --> 00:10:21,293 out of ROTC and West Point . But as it 265 00:10:21,293 --> 00:10:24,280 pertains ROTC , about 25% of them are 266 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,110 not going to start their initial entry 267 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,150 training as officers until the 268 00:10:29,150 --> 00:10:31,372 beginning of the fiscal year because we 269 00:10:31,372 --> 00:10:33,428 won't have enough myths of funding . 270 00:10:33,428 --> 00:10:35,317 This is funding used to travel to 271 00:10:35,317 --> 00:10:37,261 professional military education uh 272 00:10:37,261 --> 00:10:40,910 available . Additionally A 10.1 of 273 00:10:40,910 --> 00:10:42,854 those sub activity groups I talked 274 00:10:42,854 --> 00:10:45,100 about with the misaligned over 275 00:10:45,100 --> 00:10:48,470 resources Uh is one that pertains to 276 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,480 our funding basic training . And so 277 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,860 we've got a $10.2 million dollar 278 00:10:53,020 --> 00:10:55,960 reduction . Uh that's gonna lead to a 279 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,500 degradation of the quality of our basic 280 00:10:58,500 --> 00:11:00,167 training . And we see that as 281 00:11:00,167 --> 00:11:02,056 significant because how important 282 00:11:02,056 --> 00:11:04,167 initial entry training is . But those 283 00:11:04,167 --> 00:11:06,333 are the two additions I wanted to make 284 00:11:06,333 --> 00:11:06,150 to the previous statements from other 285 00:11:06,150 --> 00:11:08,360 fellow colleagues . Thank you 286 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,296 and the general , I'll just make one 287 00:11:14,296 --> 00:11:16,351 additional comment . And I think the 288 00:11:16,351 --> 00:11:18,518 thing that we talked about some of the 289 00:11:18,518 --> 00:11:20,629 near term impacts , but when we , for 290 00:11:20,629 --> 00:11:20,570 the Air Force will be about 50% of our 291 00:11:20,570 --> 00:11:22,570 sessions . But what you'll see that 292 00:11:22,570 --> 00:11:24,626 it's not just the near term , it's a 293 00:11:24,626 --> 00:11:24,570 long term because you will have a 294 00:11:24,580 --> 00:11:26,850 bathtub of airmen that will not be here 295 00:11:26,860 --> 00:11:28,749 throughout a 20 year career . And 296 00:11:28,749 --> 00:11:30,638 that's something we've got to pay 297 00:11:30,638 --> 00:11:32,860 attention to as well . Any time we have 298 00:11:32,860 --> 00:11:34,916 these types delays in the sessions . 299 00:11:34,916 --> 00:11:37,082 Thank you . Is there anyone that we've 300 00:11:37,082 --> 00:11:38,804 missed in terms of asking that 301 00:11:39,270 --> 00:11:42,300 answering that question . If not , 302 00:11:42,300 --> 00:11:44,356 thank you , Madam Chair . Now you're 303 00:11:44,356 --> 00:11:44,350 back . 304 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:02,751 I'm looking at the layout here to see 305 00:12:02,751 --> 00:12:04,584 if maybe she's just muted here . 306 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,150 Um She MS granger . It's 307 00:12:13,150 --> 00:12:15,150 your time for questions . We cannot 308 00:12:15,150 --> 00:12:17,150 hear you . However , okay . We're 309 00:12:17,150 --> 00:12:20,310 fixing that . It's good now . Mhm . You 310 00:12:20,310 --> 00:12:24,190 magically fixed it . We want to start 311 00:12:24,190 --> 00:12:27,920 out with . Is this Oh , I think there's 312 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,350 a misunderstanding about where we've 313 00:12:30,350 --> 00:12:33,760 been . Um We are not saying we want a 314 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,430 continuing resolution . We're saying , 315 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,810 how do we get this done ? Uh But it's , 316 00:12:39,820 --> 00:12:43,260 it concerns me . We gave you an offer 317 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,840 uh just because you didn't like the 318 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,007 offer . It doesn't mean that we didn't 319 00:12:48,007 --> 00:12:50,710 give an offer and we did . And then it 320 00:12:50,710 --> 00:12:54,440 just stopped . And so a way forward is 321 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:56,384 to get back together and say , all 322 00:12:56,384 --> 00:12:59,010 right , how do we work this out ? But I 323 00:12:59,010 --> 00:13:01,420 am concerned that there's a 324 00:13:01,420 --> 00:13:04,480 misunderstanding about about the offer 325 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,780 that we had and the way forward . And 326 00:13:06,780 --> 00:13:07,780 then 327 00:13:10,190 --> 00:13:13,360 Madam Chair , In fact , there has not 328 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:15,582 been an offer . So they have to correct 329 00:13:15,582 --> 00:13:18,090 the record . There's not been an offer 330 00:13:18,090 --> 00:13:20,368 of money on the table . That's correct . 331 00:13:20,368 --> 00:13:22,590 Miss Grainger's . You have a question . 332 00:13:22,590 --> 00:13:24,479 Yeah . Just go ahead and ask your 333 00:13:24,479 --> 00:13:26,890 question . Um My first question , every 334 00:13:26,890 --> 00:13:29,057 member of this subcommittee is greatly 335 00:13:29,057 --> 00:13:31,223 concerned about China's rapid military 336 00:13:31,223 --> 00:13:33,520 modernization . Could each of the 337 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:36,290 services share ? How long term cr would 338 00:13:36,290 --> 00:13:38,600 inhibit our ability to compete with 339 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:42,050 adversaries like China . It's the cops . 340 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:50,784 Are they still available ? They're 341 00:13:50,784 --> 00:13:53,320 still available . I uh haven't been 342 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,487 calling on them . They've been kind of 343 00:13:55,487 --> 00:13:57,600 volunteering on their own . Uh , this 344 00:13:57,610 --> 00:14:00,020 one I'm a I'm a former substitute high 345 00:14:00,020 --> 00:14:02,242 school teacher . I can start calling on 346 00:14:02,242 --> 00:14:05,940 you gentlemen if I'll go first 347 00:14:06,060 --> 00:14:08,960 chair if you'd like . Certainly good to 348 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:11,182 see you . Good to see you . Mr martin . 349 00:14:11,182 --> 00:14:13,349 Okay , as as as it pertains to china , 350 00:14:13,349 --> 00:14:15,571 it's the same as Russia . It's the same 351 00:14:15,571 --> 00:14:17,627 for any adversary that's threatening 352 00:14:17,627 --> 00:14:19,738 the security of this nation . Uh Long 353 00:14:19,738 --> 00:14:22,090 term CR will impact our reality , our 354 00:14:22,090 --> 00:14:25,030 ability to provide ready forces today . 355 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:27,207 Make sure that we can take care of our 356 00:14:27,207 --> 00:14:29,318 soldiers and their family members and 357 00:14:29,318 --> 00:14:31,373 our civilians and the infrastructure 358 00:14:31,373 --> 00:14:33,596 and the ecosystem that surrounds them . 359 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,584 Uh , it will impact our ability to 360 00:14:35,584 --> 00:14:38,440 modernize uh , for the army . It's 71 361 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,660 new start programs , 29 procurement 362 00:14:40,660 --> 00:14:44,590 delays , 32 developmental delays and 363 00:14:44,590 --> 00:14:47,070 several items in the organic industrial 364 00:14:47,070 --> 00:14:48,903 base that we will not be able to 365 00:14:48,903 --> 00:14:52,670 modernize . We it impacts our 366 00:14:52,670 --> 00:14:55,610 ability to compete today and compete 367 00:14:55,620 --> 00:14:59,300 tomorrow and so on . A long term CR CR 368 00:14:59,300 --> 00:15:01,467 has a significant impact on the United 369 00:15:01,467 --> 00:15:04,050 States Army . Thank you . Thank you , 370 00:15:05,740 --> 00:15:08,240 recommended Granger General Brown from 371 00:15:08,250 --> 00:15:10,528 the Air Force . I would highlight that . 372 00:15:10,528 --> 00:15:12,194 You know , when I think about 373 00:15:12,194 --> 00:15:14,250 particularly PRC and what we've seen 374 00:15:14,250 --> 00:15:16,250 them do over the course of the past 375 00:15:16,250 --> 00:15:18,472 several months related to their nuclear 376 00:15:18,472 --> 00:15:20,694 portfolio . This has an impact yearlong 377 00:15:20,694 --> 00:15:23,410 cR impacts our nuclear portfolio by 378 00:15:23,410 --> 00:15:26,570 delaying Ghi BSD by a year plus zero by 379 00:15:26,570 --> 00:15:29,760 18 to 24 months uh modern between one 380 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:31,871 by about a year and the modernization 381 00:15:31,871 --> 00:15:34,038 of the B 52 by year as well . I'd also 382 00:15:34,038 --> 00:15:36,093 add to that . The PFD will slow down 383 00:15:36,093 --> 00:15:38,204 the F 35 by about a year . Which will 384 00:15:38,204 --> 00:15:40,038 be very important to any type of 385 00:15:40,038 --> 00:15:42,149 deterrence and or capably I would say 386 00:15:42,149 --> 00:15:44,204 the same thing within God . It would 387 00:15:44,204 --> 00:15:46,316 delay it for at least two years . And 388 00:15:46,316 --> 00:15:48,038 so what you see is a series of 389 00:15:48,038 --> 00:15:47,860 capabilities that would actually 390 00:15:47,860 --> 00:15:51,620 provide us uh has the advantage . And 391 00:15:51,620 --> 00:15:53,787 sure we maintain at least , you know , 392 00:15:53,787 --> 00:15:55,898 advanced if not parity in certain key 393 00:15:55,898 --> 00:15:58,009 warfighting capabilities and concepts 394 00:15:58,009 --> 00:16:00,970 in a yearlong cr actually allows our 395 00:16:00,970 --> 00:16:02,803 adversary just to continue their 396 00:16:02,803 --> 00:16:04,914 acceleration while we are I would say 397 00:16:04,914 --> 00:16:07,610 stuck in neutral . Thank you . I would . 398 00:16:07,620 --> 00:16:09,787 This is General Hammond from the space 399 00:16:09,787 --> 00:16:11,842 force , I would add As it relates to 400 00:16:11,842 --> 00:16:14,560 China China has gone from 0 to 60 in 401 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:16,870 space . They are moving at incredible 402 00:16:16,870 --> 00:16:18,759 speeds and doing two things . One 403 00:16:18,759 --> 00:16:20,870 building space capabilities for their 404 00:16:20,870 --> 00:16:22,870 own use to have that same advantage 405 00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:24,592 that we currently enjoy and to 406 00:16:24,592 --> 00:16:26,759 developing capabilities to deny us our 407 00:16:26,759 --> 00:16:28,870 access . As I mentioned in my opening 408 00:16:28,870 --> 00:16:30,870 comment , we we view our ability to 409 00:16:30,870 --> 00:16:32,830 provide space capabilities and the 410 00:16:32,830 --> 00:16:34,774 advantage that they provide to our 411 00:16:34,774 --> 00:16:38,360 joint uh forces a sacred duty . And you 412 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,471 can't take that for granted anymore . 413 00:16:40,471 --> 00:16:42,582 The continuing resolution is going to 414 00:16:42,582 --> 00:16:44,582 impact our ability to modernize our 415 00:16:44,582 --> 00:16:46,804 forces to be to be there in the face of 416 00:16:46,804 --> 00:16:48,527 a growing threat or reduce our 417 00:16:48,527 --> 00:16:50,638 readiness and will , will hinder long 418 00:16:50,638 --> 00:16:52,860 term impacts to our guardians and their 419 00:16:52,860 --> 00:16:54,138 families . Thank you . 420 00:16:57,140 --> 00:16:57,570 Um , 421 00:17:00,540 --> 00:17:03,220 Just perhaps one or 2 things building 422 00:17:03,220 --> 00:17:05,970 on what my parents have stated . Turn 423 00:17:05,970 --> 00:17:08,930 around , we're gonna treat , we're 424 00:17:08,930 --> 00:17:11,152 gonna treat it like you like probably a 425 00:17:11,152 --> 00:17:13,097 surgeon would treat a patient . In 426 00:17:13,097 --> 00:17:15,152 other words , treat us . You have to 427 00:17:15,152 --> 00:17:17,208 put the forces forward that they can 428 00:17:17,208 --> 00:17:19,374 handle a crisis of the moment . You're 429 00:17:19,374 --> 00:17:21,486 going to take risk in areas that this 430 00:17:21,486 --> 00:17:23,680 budget , uh , that increased of 431 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:25,847 research and development , things like 432 00:17:25,847 --> 00:17:28,069 that . That uh , your peers are gonna , 433 00:17:28,069 --> 00:17:30,236 your peers are going to go ahead . The 434 00:17:30,236 --> 00:17:32,124 competition is going to make that 435 00:17:32,124 --> 00:17:34,069 investment . You're not . So in in 436 00:17:34,069 --> 00:17:36,236 terms of relative pace , they're going 437 00:17:36,236 --> 00:17:38,458 to move forward quickly because they're 438 00:17:38,458 --> 00:17:40,624 stealing our technology . Plus , we're 439 00:17:40,624 --> 00:17:40,010 investing fully in research and 440 00:17:40,010 --> 00:17:42,010 development will be , it will be it 441 00:17:42,010 --> 00:17:45,180 flat and we cannot make that up . That 442 00:17:45,180 --> 00:17:47,236 research and development time lost . 443 00:17:47,236 --> 00:17:49,236 You can't make that up with money a 444 00:17:49,236 --> 00:17:51,180 year from now . That's time lost , 445 00:17:51,180 --> 00:17:52,736 cannot catch up because the 446 00:17:52,736 --> 00:17:54,958 laboratories research and development , 447 00:17:54,958 --> 00:17:57,069 you just can't accelerate it . But so 448 00:17:57,069 --> 00:17:59,180 much I think we we approached it like 449 00:17:59,180 --> 00:18:01,402 you would a patient will have the least 450 00:18:01,402 --> 00:18:03,736 ready when the nation is the most ready . 451 00:18:03,736 --> 00:18:05,902 When the nation is least ready . We'll 452 00:18:05,902 --> 00:18:08,069 put that forward . We'll hold the door 453 00:18:08,069 --> 00:18:09,958 best we can and will fall further 454 00:18:09,958 --> 00:18:12,069 behind in areas where we should be at 455 00:18:12,069 --> 00:18:13,847 least a party and should be and 456 00:18:13,847 --> 00:18:15,902 actually should be in front . That's 457 00:18:15,902 --> 00:18:18,124 where we'll pay a price . We can't , we 458 00:18:18,124 --> 00:18:20,620 will not be able to catch up . Man . 459 00:18:20,620 --> 00:18:22,950 This is Daniel Gildea uh , adding on to 460 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,700 to uh The what the other chiefs said . 461 00:18:25,710 --> 00:18:27,654 They look , they're accelerating . 462 00:18:27,654 --> 00:18:29,980 We're decelerating . Right ? So in 463 00:18:29,980 --> 00:18:33,130 areas where we wanna we wanna close on 464 00:18:33,130 --> 00:18:35,240 known gaps with with China as an 465 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:37,820 example , hypersonic would be a really 466 00:18:37,820 --> 00:18:40,042 good example of that . Right ? The Army 467 00:18:40,042 --> 00:18:42,460 wants to feel the system in uh in 23 , 468 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:44,640 the navy wants to follow along with 469 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,751 that same system . Shipboard based in 470 00:18:46,751 --> 00:18:49,050 25 . We're gonna slow that program down 471 00:18:49,050 --> 00:18:51,130 if we can't move money around uh to 472 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:53,780 keep it alive . Another area . 473 00:18:53,790 --> 00:18:56,770 Another area where we want to , where 474 00:18:56,770 --> 00:18:58,881 we have over match right now where we 475 00:18:58,881 --> 00:19:00,992 want to maintain that overmatch would 476 00:19:00,992 --> 00:19:03,159 be in the undersea . Right ? And so we 477 00:19:03,159 --> 00:19:05,381 want to keep on building submarines and 478 00:19:05,381 --> 00:19:07,492 the submarines that we have . We want 479 00:19:07,492 --> 00:19:07,460 to be able to continue to maintain them 480 00:19:07,460 --> 00:19:10,530 to sustain them . So , uh based on the 481 00:19:10,530 --> 00:19:13,320 year long cr we will delay doing 482 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:15,320 maintenance on 10% of our submarine 483 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:17,542 force . That's five submarines were not 484 00:19:17,542 --> 00:19:19,487 going to do maintenance on . We're 485 00:19:19,487 --> 00:19:21,598 gonna move it , we're gonna push that 486 00:19:21,598 --> 00:19:21,590 down the road . We know what the cost 487 00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:23,757 has been to that in the past and we're 488 00:19:23,757 --> 00:19:25,923 gonna do it again , we're gonna do the 489 00:19:25,923 --> 00:19:28,146 same thing with two aircraft carriers , 490 00:19:28,146 --> 00:19:30,368 we need those carriers in the water and 491 00:19:30,368 --> 00:19:30,120 we need them forward . You know , we 492 00:19:30,130 --> 00:19:32,297 can fully maintained , but we're going 493 00:19:32,297 --> 00:19:34,490 to stop that in areas where we have 494 00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:36,910 gaps were trying to catch up . Another 495 00:19:36,910 --> 00:19:38,854 good example would be weapons with 496 00:19:38,854 --> 00:19:40,910 range and speed . That's where we're 497 00:19:40,910 --> 00:19:42,966 putting money , but we're gonna slow 498 00:19:42,966 --> 00:19:44,910 that down in important areas where 499 00:19:44,910 --> 00:19:47,077 those gaps are gonna be exacerbated as 500 00:19:47,077 --> 00:19:49,243 the chinese continue as General Berger 501 00:19:49,243 --> 00:19:51,354 said to do their R and D and increase 502 00:19:51,354 --> 00:19:53,466 their production lines and I'll pause 503 00:19:53,466 --> 00:19:55,632 there . Thank you . Thank you all very 504 00:19:55,632 --> 00:19:58,940 much . Um , next we have up Mr 505 00:19:58,940 --> 00:20:02,200 Ryan , Mr Rogers , Mr Square and mr 506 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:05,780 cole mr Ryan And the 507 00:20:05,780 --> 00:20:08,680 5:00 will start . Thank you . Thank you , 508 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,402 Madam Chair . I appreciate the 509 00:20:10,402 --> 00:20:12,880 opportunity . Just a quick comment . 510 00:20:12,890 --> 00:20:15,001 You know , all the discussions around 511 00:20:15,001 --> 00:20:17,057 the budget and the appropriations in 512 00:20:17,057 --> 00:20:19,057 the , in the , in the context of us 513 00:20:19,057 --> 00:20:22,020 trying to compete and out compete china . 514 00:20:22,030 --> 00:20:24,086 I think to me it's very , very clear 515 00:20:24,086 --> 00:20:26,197 that these conversations we're having 516 00:20:26,197 --> 00:20:29,530 around defense technology are 517 00:20:29,540 --> 00:20:32,430 critically important , but there's no 518 00:20:32,430 --> 00:20:34,800 way you out compete china when our kids 519 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:36,810 are going to Mcdonald's to download 520 00:20:36,810 --> 00:20:38,977 their homework because they don't have 521 00:20:38,977 --> 00:20:42,880 access to quality internet , there's no 522 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:45,047 way we're gonna be able to out compete 523 00:20:45,047 --> 00:20:47,400 them if they're producing 600,000 , 524 00:20:48,020 --> 00:20:49,850 stem graduates a year and we're 525 00:20:49,850 --> 00:20:52,110 producing 60 and that's why the 526 00:20:52,110 --> 00:20:54,350 investments that that we're trying to 527 00:20:54,350 --> 00:20:57,330 make here are critical for us to be 528 00:20:57,330 --> 00:20:59,330 able to out compete them and you're 529 00:20:59,330 --> 00:21:01,497 just not going to out compete china by 530 00:21:01,497 --> 00:21:03,980 cutting taxes for the top 1% and hoping 531 00:21:03,980 --> 00:21:06,590 that somehow some way we're going to 532 00:21:06,590 --> 00:21:09,160 have 330 million people healthy , 533 00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,670 educated , skilled and Uh innovative to 534 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:14,624 take them on . It's just not gonna 535 00:21:14,624 --> 00:21:16,680 happen . We've tried it for 30 or 40 536 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:18,902 years . So uh to me there's got to be a 537 00:21:18,902 --> 00:21:20,970 whole of government approach and I 538 00:21:20,970 --> 00:21:22,970 think it's important for us to keep 539 00:21:22,970 --> 00:21:25,137 that in mind . Um I've got a couple of 540 00:21:25,137 --> 00:21:28,680 questions that are local to Ohio um 541 00:21:28,690 --> 00:21:32,350 that I would love to get answers to . 542 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:34,416 Um one of them is the procurement of 543 00:21:34,416 --> 00:21:37,520 additional M one A two SCP V three 544 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,170 systems , uh , the M one Abrams tank 545 00:21:41,170 --> 00:21:43,110 provides the lethality and 546 00:21:43,110 --> 00:21:45,110 sophistication necessary to counter 547 00:21:45,110 --> 00:21:48,450 Russia and the chinese communist Party . 548 00:21:48,460 --> 00:21:50,720 They're third generation platforms , 549 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:52,942 enhance readiness to our military while 550 00:21:52,942 --> 00:21:55,250 providing economic stability to the 551 00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:57,361 state of Ohio . And the Joint Systems 552 00:21:57,361 --> 00:22:00,260 Manufacturing center In Lima Ohio 553 00:22:00,260 --> 00:22:03,230 provides nearly 1000 jobs within the 554 00:22:03,230 --> 00:22:05,452 local community , generates millions of 555 00:22:05,452 --> 00:22:07,770 dollars in economic growth and involves 556 00:22:07,770 --> 00:22:11,190 over 700 different Ohio based suppliers 557 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,650 in the manufacturing process . And the 558 00:22:13,650 --> 00:22:17,250 provision of the Fy 2022 defense 559 00:22:17,250 --> 00:22:21,040 bill would procure 70 additional uh 560 00:22:21,050 --> 00:22:24,190 tanks and variants and strengthen our 561 00:22:24,190 --> 00:22:25,801 ability to counter near pure 562 00:22:25,801 --> 00:22:27,801 adversaries . So this is a critical 563 00:22:27,801 --> 00:22:29,950 thing that I'm really worried about 564 00:22:29,950 --> 00:22:32,960 with the CR uh so I would like to ask 565 00:22:32,970 --> 00:22:35,110 general martin , what role does this 566 00:22:35,110 --> 00:22:36,443 funding instability and 567 00:22:36,443 --> 00:22:38,970 unpredictability play in your re 568 00:22:38,970 --> 00:22:41,192 sourcing decisions on programs like the 569 00:22:41,192 --> 00:22:43,690 Abrams upgrade ? What are the strategic 570 00:22:43,690 --> 00:22:46,240 implications of delaying manufacturing 571 00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:49,330 as a result of the CR And 572 00:22:49,330 --> 00:22:51,630 additionally , I know Poland announced 573 00:22:51,630 --> 00:22:54,620 plans for FMS procurement of 574 00:22:54,620 --> 00:22:57,950 250 tanks to counter Russia 575 00:22:57,950 --> 00:23:00,350 aggression within the region . Can you 576 00:23:00,350 --> 00:23:02,572 provide an update to the status of that 577 00:23:02,572 --> 00:23:04,800 request ? Thank you . Thank you for the 578 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,800 question . Congressman . What I can 579 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,220 tell you comparing 21 22 there will be 580 00:23:09,220 --> 00:23:12,740 no significant impact to our plan to 581 00:23:12,740 --> 00:23:16,060 produce the Abrams uh , set the three 582 00:23:16,060 --> 00:23:18,980 vehicles , A two set V three vehicles 583 00:23:18,990 --> 00:23:22,690 uh at J S M C . I can also tell you 584 00:23:22,690 --> 00:23:25,190 that we were not anticipating any cR 585 00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:27,450 related impact to the workforce . Uh , 586 00:23:27,460 --> 00:23:29,460 there is an impact that I'd like to 587 00:23:29,460 --> 00:23:31,570 discuss that I think is worthy of uh 588 00:23:31,580 --> 00:23:34,260 your your awareness and that is , We 589 00:23:34,260 --> 00:23:37,480 had to uh organic industry-based 590 00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:40,780 improvement projects planned for 22 591 00:23:40,780 --> 00:23:42,780 that would start in 20 to their new 592 00:23:42,780 --> 00:23:44,724 starts . And so they'll have to be 593 00:23:44,724 --> 00:23:46,669 delayed by a year and then compete 594 00:23:46,669 --> 00:23:48,947 against other demands across the board , 595 00:23:48,947 --> 00:23:50,950 but it was to modernize some of the 596 00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:53,283 infrastructure to support not only tank , 597 00:23:53,283 --> 00:23:56,640 but also striker production but also to 598 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,770 improve the the heating and cooling 599 00:23:58,770 --> 00:24:00,937 system and the H Vac system . So those 600 00:24:00,937 --> 00:24:03,103 will have to be delayed as it pertains 601 00:24:03,103 --> 00:24:05,103 to Poland . We're in the process of 602 00:24:05,103 --> 00:24:07,270 talking to Poland uh and we're looking 603 00:24:07,270 --> 00:24:09,214 how we can best meet their needs . 604 00:24:09,214 --> 00:24:11,930 Thank you , Congressman . I'm sorry . 605 00:24:11,930 --> 00:24:14,097 You're breaking up their general , can 606 00:24:14,097 --> 00:24:16,319 you ? What was that you said at the end 607 00:24:16,319 --> 00:24:15,360 about Poland . 608 00:24:20,340 --> 00:24:22,270 We're in the process and we're 609 00:24:22,270 --> 00:24:24,750 considering , we're discussing this 610 00:24:24,750 --> 00:24:26,917 with them , we're considering the best 611 00:24:26,917 --> 00:24:29,083 way to meet their needs . That's where 612 00:24:29,083 --> 00:24:31,417 we're at right now , congressman . Okay , 613 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:36,030 thank you a couple questions . Uh just 614 00:24:36,030 --> 00:24:38,141 kind of that are very local in nature 615 00:24:38,141 --> 00:24:40,252 at the Youngstown Air Reserve Station 616 00:24:40,252 --> 00:24:42,790 for our friends in the in the Air Force . 617 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,340 Um we had $8.7 million to 618 00:24:46,340 --> 00:24:48,850 expand the Air Reserve Station assault 619 00:24:48,850 --> 00:24:51,360 strip which provides infrastructure To 620 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:55,270 support C17 and C130 aircraft which is 621 00:24:55,270 --> 00:24:57,437 critical to maintaining readiness . As 622 00:24:57,437 --> 00:25:00,030 you know , how would the cr impact the 623 00:25:00,030 --> 00:25:02,086 viability of the air station and its 624 00:25:02,086 --> 00:25:04,400 operational capabilities should the 625 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:07,030 infrastructure project be delayed 626 00:25:07,030 --> 00:25:09,790 further And then also uh the issue with 627 00:25:09,790 --> 00:25:13,030 the C 1 30 J platform integration , 628 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,460 We've been talking about this for years 629 00:25:16,460 --> 00:25:19,670 and as you know , the C130J Platform 630 00:25:19,670 --> 00:25:21,510 provides additive capabilities 631 00:25:21,510 --> 00:25:23,121 enhancing the systems aerial 632 00:25:23,121 --> 00:25:25,232 capabilities in support of its global 633 00:25:25,232 --> 00:25:28,890 mission . Uh The 21 defense Bill 634 00:25:28,900 --> 00:25:32,580 provided two C 1 30 J platforms uh 635 00:25:32,590 --> 00:25:35,750 for yards and the 22 bill would secure 636 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,420 for additional platforms , how does any 637 00:25:38,420 --> 00:25:41,380 further delay in the procurement of C 1 638 00:25:41,380 --> 00:25:44,140 30 J aircraft affect the specialized 639 00:25:44,140 --> 00:25:47,690 mission of the 9/10 airlift wing and 640 00:25:47,690 --> 00:25:49,690 their aerial spray michigan and the 641 00:25:49,690 --> 00:25:51,510 longevity of yards is a combat 642 00:25:51,510 --> 00:25:54,250 multiplier , sir . You have about a 643 00:25:54,250 --> 00:25:56,306 minute to answer that great question 644 00:25:56,306 --> 00:25:59,460 from Mr Ryan Sure , on the assault 645 00:25:59,460 --> 00:26:01,682 runway project . Um well it does impact 646 00:26:01,682 --> 00:26:03,440 the training for not just for 647 00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,551 youngstown but really for a number of 648 00:26:05,551 --> 00:26:07,600 uh of training units around the 649 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,980 Northeast . The challenge there is that 650 00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:12,520 we won't gain that savings as far as a 651 00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:14,990 fuel and time distance for training at 652 00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:16,712 the same time , with increased 653 00:26:16,712 --> 00:26:18,657 construction costs , it will be an 654 00:26:18,657 --> 00:26:20,712 issue that must be more expensive in 655 00:26:20,712 --> 00:26:22,823 the long run . On the second question 656 00:26:22,823 --> 00:26:25,046 here , um with a continued resolution , 657 00:26:25,046 --> 00:26:24,890 what happens then is we do not have 658 00:26:24,890 --> 00:26:27,112 enough C one thirties to actually start 659 00:26:27,112 --> 00:26:29,334 another basic action to uh whether it's 660 00:26:29,334 --> 00:26:31,557 their Youngstown with the great mission 661 00:26:31,557 --> 00:26:33,723 they do or anyplace else just based on 662 00:26:33,723 --> 00:26:35,834 a cr not having enough C one thirties 663 00:26:35,834 --> 00:26:37,834 to actually start a basic action uh 664 00:26:37,834 --> 00:26:40,057 Going forward , thank you , thank you . 665 00:26:40,057 --> 00:26:42,057 Thank you , madam . Chair certainly 666 00:26:44,140 --> 00:26:46,550 uh mister mister Rogers , you are now 667 00:26:46,550 --> 00:26:48,772 recognized and after Mr Rogers that was 668 00:26:48,772 --> 00:26:51,530 Mr square Mr cole . And then miss boost 669 00:26:51,530 --> 00:26:54,690 owes Mr Rogers , you're recognized as a 670 00:26:54,700 --> 00:26:56,860 former chair of this subcommittee ? 671 00:27:00,340 --> 00:27:02,600 Well , I thank you Madam Chair , thanks 672 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,970 for holding the hearing . Let 673 00:27:05,970 --> 00:27:09,600 me apologize to 674 00:27:09,610 --> 00:27:13,610 the witnesses . We was 675 00:27:13,610 --> 00:27:16,730 hearing required them to spend valuable 676 00:27:16,730 --> 00:27:20,510 hours uh doing research . We all 677 00:27:20,510 --> 00:27:24,380 know what the answer is . I 678 00:27:24,380 --> 00:27:26,800 mean as appropriators , especially 679 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,350 members of this defense subcommittee . 680 00:27:30,340 --> 00:27:33,960 Uh we know that C . R . Is not good for 681 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,660 the military exhibit A 682 00:27:40,340 --> 00:27:42,550 it comes as no surprise that they're 683 00:27:42,550 --> 00:27:45,760 with their testimony will say that see 684 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,350 ours are not good for the country , 685 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,951 bad for our service members . They're 686 00:27:51,951 --> 00:27:54,670 bad for our readiness for research , 687 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:59,020 development for the procurement of new 688 00:27:59,020 --> 00:28:02,750 systems for our industrial base 689 00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:06,860 and everything in between . Crs hurt 690 00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:09,460 our national security . We all know 691 00:28:09,460 --> 00:28:13,110 that . So why have a hearing on 692 00:28:13,110 --> 00:28:15,332 something that we all know is should be 693 00:28:15,332 --> 00:28:18,820 admitted . Yeah . So this this hearing 694 00:28:18,820 --> 00:28:21,060 was called to score political points . 695 00:28:22,140 --> 00:28:26,050 Try to bring pressure on the republican 696 00:28:26,050 --> 00:28:30,040 side of the aisle that this would harm 697 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,270 the military will surely it does , but 698 00:28:33,270 --> 00:28:35,326 it's the democrats who are in charge 699 00:28:35,326 --> 00:28:39,080 and causing it including taking all 700 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,247 this valuable time from very important 701 00:28:41,247 --> 00:28:44,340 people to tell us what we already know . 702 00:28:46,540 --> 00:28:48,490 It's surprising and honestly it's 703 00:28:48,930 --> 00:28:52,770 disappointing . So I apologize that 704 00:28:52,780 --> 00:28:54,891 all of you and the pentagon are being 705 00:28:54,891 --> 00:28:58,810 used as pawns in these budget 706 00:28:58,810 --> 00:29:02,210 negotiations . And I can certainly 707 00:29:02,210 --> 00:29:04,940 think of better uses of your time and 708 00:29:04,940 --> 00:29:08,410 ours . Thank you for all your lifetimes 709 00:29:08,410 --> 00:29:11,750 of service . Rest assured that we share 710 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:15,000 the same goal , preventing another 711 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:19,000 cr let's be clear about the chair that 712 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,470 the framework for success in this 713 00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:25,330 business we're in . There's always been 714 00:29:25,340 --> 00:29:28,950 no poison pills in these bills 715 00:29:29,940 --> 00:29:32,460 and restore legacy writers . 716 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,560 I've been at this a long time . So 717 00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:39,960 let's not have any revisionist history . 718 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,760 This is what we've always done . You're 719 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,200 not doing so far on this bill . 720 00:29:48,130 --> 00:29:51,060 This is about decreasing domestic 721 00:29:51,060 --> 00:29:54,490 spending and increasing defense 722 00:29:54,500 --> 00:29:57,860 spending . The Madam chair . That's all 723 00:29:57,860 --> 00:30:01,630 I have . And I you're back . Thank you . 724 00:30:01,630 --> 00:30:04,560 And you know how much I do respect you . 725 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:08,490 But this was not um my effort to 726 00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:11,370 take political shots . This was my 727 00:30:11,370 --> 00:30:15,160 effort to quash those who are 728 00:30:15,170 --> 00:30:19,070 are talking about yearlong crs . No 729 00:30:19,070 --> 00:30:21,140 one no one on the approach on the 730 00:30:21,140 --> 00:30:23,800 appropriations committee is yet you see 731 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,430 things in the news and unfortunately , 732 00:30:26,430 --> 00:30:28,620 sir , it's usually from your side of 733 00:30:28,620 --> 00:30:31,900 the aisle and I'll quote again . Um and 734 00:30:31,900 --> 00:30:34,122 it's a December 1st quote and I can get 735 00:30:34,122 --> 00:30:36,122 you the gentleman of the person who 736 00:30:36,122 --> 00:30:38,067 said it . Republicans should be in 737 00:30:38,067 --> 00:30:40,067 favor of a Cr until biden is out of 738 00:30:40,067 --> 00:30:42,122 office . So they're not even talking 739 00:30:42,122 --> 00:30:44,344 about a one year cr . That would be the 740 00:30:44,350 --> 00:30:46,350 proper republican thing to do . And 741 00:30:46,350 --> 00:30:48,294 anybody saying otherwise is deeply 742 00:30:48,294 --> 00:30:50,406 foolish . I know you and I , sir , do 743 00:30:50,406 --> 00:30:52,900 not agree with that sentiment . And my 744 00:30:52,910 --> 00:30:56,000 my my goal here is to educate other 745 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,833 members who don't understand the 746 00:30:57,833 --> 00:30:59,944 appropriations process as well as you 747 00:30:59,944 --> 00:31:02,170 and I and many other of our colleagues 748 00:31:02,170 --> 00:31:05,640 that we serve alongside with . So I I I 749 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,280 understand your frustration , but I 750 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,100 want to I want to be clear what my my 751 00:31:11,100 --> 00:31:13,410 intent was and I wanted that on the 752 00:31:13,410 --> 00:31:15,260 record . Mr quire . 753 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,990 Thank you Madam chair and to all our 754 00:31:20,990 --> 00:31:23,046 witnesses . Thank you for being here 755 00:31:23,046 --> 00:31:25,046 with you all . Uh you know when you 756 00:31:25,046 --> 00:31:27,268 look at we don't like Crs we don't want 757 00:31:27,268 --> 00:31:29,379 to see a CR we want to make sure that 758 00:31:29,379 --> 00:31:31,450 we as appropriators . I think both 759 00:31:31,460 --> 00:31:33,950 sides want to make sure that we do our 760 00:31:33,950 --> 00:31:36,490 work and and and add the money but the 761 00:31:36,490 --> 00:31:39,060 military has operated under CRS in the 762 00:31:39,060 --> 00:31:41,930 past short term CRS but its operators , 763 00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:44,790 CRS are there any strategies that any 764 00:31:44,790 --> 00:31:48,400 of the services uh plans to 765 00:31:48,410 --> 00:31:50,466 implement to minimize the effects of 766 00:31:50,466 --> 00:31:54,180 the CRS um on our ability to 767 00:31:54,180 --> 00:31:56,347 maintain the readiness of our troops ? 768 00:31:56,347 --> 00:31:58,347 In other words , we've learned some 769 00:31:58,347 --> 00:32:00,513 lessons . We don't want to see another 770 00:32:00,513 --> 00:32:02,513 C . R . I . I think none of us here 771 00:32:02,513 --> 00:32:04,736 want to see another Cr definitely not a 772 00:32:04,736 --> 00:32:07,660 long , year long Cr but are there any 773 00:32:07,660 --> 00:32:10,580 lessons learned that we have taken from 774 00:32:10,580 --> 00:32:11,560 past CRS 775 00:32:15,140 --> 00:32:17,260 congressman ? Let me just open with 776 00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:19,590 saying we have as a number of members 777 00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:21,590 have have stated , we have a lot of 778 00:32:21,590 --> 00:32:23,534 experience sadly now with Cr so we 779 00:32:23,534 --> 00:32:25,646 certainly have some lessons learned . 780 00:32:25,646 --> 00:32:27,970 But um in general there's no strategy , 781 00:32:27,970 --> 00:32:30,026 there's no strategy to combat math . 782 00:32:30,026 --> 00:32:32,192 Right ? If you don't have enough money 783 00:32:32,192 --> 00:32:34,414 you can't you can't operate the way you 784 00:32:34,414 --> 00:32:36,526 need to you can't pay , you can't pay 785 00:32:36,526 --> 00:32:38,748 the troops more pay raise with the same 786 00:32:38,748 --> 00:32:40,914 amount of money and not have an impact 787 00:32:40,914 --> 00:32:43,026 come out some other way . So yes , we 788 00:32:43,026 --> 00:32:45,248 we have adapted on the contracting side 789 00:32:45,248 --> 00:32:47,581 and we're thinking about prioritization . 790 00:32:47,581 --> 00:32:47,570 You've heard some of the chiefs 791 00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:49,792 mentioned , I would probably have to do 792 00:32:49,792 --> 00:32:51,792 a and do be and do si . But again , 793 00:32:51,792 --> 00:32:53,959 this is fundamentally a math problem . 794 00:32:55,740 --> 00:32:59,470 Okay , let me ask this question . 795 00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,740 So we're looking at the Cr from our 796 00:33:02,740 --> 00:33:05,760 perspective , high level perspective , 797 00:33:05,770 --> 00:33:08,220 tell me from your experience or and 798 00:33:08,220 --> 00:33:10,109 this applies to general martin or 799 00:33:10,109 --> 00:33:13,460 anybody . Um tell me how that affects 800 00:33:13,470 --> 00:33:16,340 uh an enlisted person on a day to day 801 00:33:16,340 --> 00:33:17,850 basis under a cr 802 00:33:21,340 --> 00:33:23,790 congressman . Thank you . So let's talk 803 00:33:23,790 --> 00:33:25,850 about someone that said Fort Bliss 804 00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:29,700 texas and they had planned to 805 00:33:29,700 --> 00:33:33,120 execute multi echelon training uh and 806 00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,990 were unable to execute multi echelon 807 00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:39,650 training because the resources were not 808 00:33:39,650 --> 00:33:41,706 there . We had to we had to take the 809 00:33:41,706 --> 00:33:43,872 training and we had to take it A level 810 00:33:43,872 --> 00:33:45,817 or two down from where it was . So 811 00:33:45,817 --> 00:33:48,039 where they were going to gain a certain 812 00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:47,730 amount of proficiency proficiency , 813 00:33:47,730 --> 00:33:49,619 doing their military occupational 814 00:33:49,619 --> 00:33:53,440 specialty under the conditions 815 00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:55,960 of a multi echelon training environment , 816 00:33:56,140 --> 00:33:57,862 they're not going to have that 817 00:33:57,862 --> 00:33:59,918 opportunity to do that in the army . 818 00:33:59,918 --> 00:34:02,140 We're not going to turn off the T . C . 819 00:34:02,140 --> 00:34:03,973 Combat training center rotations 820 00:34:03,973 --> 00:34:06,140 because of the Cr but we're gonna have 821 00:34:06,140 --> 00:34:07,696 to take a hard look at what 822 00:34:07,696 --> 00:34:09,918 multinational on training , we're doing 823 00:34:09,918 --> 00:34:12,029 at home station places where we build 824 00:34:12,029 --> 00:34:14,029 readiness each and every day And of 825 00:34:14,029 --> 00:34:16,300 course as it pertains to that soldier 826 00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:19,010 take that soldier 18 months from now 827 00:34:19,010 --> 00:34:21,510 because of the impact of the metered 828 00:34:21,510 --> 00:34:23,780 funding and the less than anticipated 829 00:34:23,780 --> 00:34:26,060 funding going into our supply , chains . 830 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,496 There's going to be an impact on our 831 00:34:28,496 --> 00:34:30,607 ability to provide that soldier apart 832 00:34:30,607 --> 00:34:32,607 on its vehicle . 18 months from now 833 00:34:32,607 --> 00:34:34,829 that we would have been able to today , 834 00:34:34,829 --> 00:34:36,996 we have predictable funding because of 835 00:34:36,996 --> 00:34:40,870 the lag effect it'll have on 836 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:43,090 the industry base and its ability to 837 00:34:43,090 --> 00:34:45,312 produce those parts for our soldiers of 838 00:34:45,312 --> 00:34:48,780 the future . General . Thank you so 839 00:34:48,780 --> 00:34:52,470 much . I appreciate that . That impact 840 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,780 on the enlisted soldier down there , 841 00:34:54,780 --> 00:34:58,350 whether it's for bliss or um Joint base 842 00:34:58,350 --> 00:35:00,630 san Antonio wherever it might be . Our 843 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,930 somewhere close to carter john carter's 844 00:35:02,930 --> 00:35:06,340 area . Fort Hood also let me before I 845 00:35:06,340 --> 00:35:08,507 close because I got about a little bit 846 00:35:08,507 --> 00:35:11,190 over a minute . Um , you know , I lost 847 00:35:11,190 --> 00:35:13,730 one of my constituents , Lance corporal 848 00:35:13,730 --> 00:35:16,220 David lee espinoza in Afghanistan , you 849 00:35:16,220 --> 00:35:18,730 know , part of the 13 soldiers that got 850 00:35:18,730 --> 00:35:21,930 killed at the very end . Um the FY 851 00:35:21,930 --> 00:35:24,810 appropriations had certain funds toward 852 00:35:24,810 --> 00:35:27,650 Afghanistan operations and maybe you 853 00:35:27,650 --> 00:35:29,650 all have answered this . But if you 854 00:35:29,650 --> 00:35:31,817 don't mind repeating this again , what 855 00:35:31,817 --> 00:35:33,983 are those funds going to be used now ? 856 00:35:33,983 --> 00:35:36,460 How what are the reprogramming of those 857 00:35:36,460 --> 00:35:38,850 funds ? What are the priorities that 858 00:35:38,850 --> 00:35:40,910 we're looking at ? If there's a cr 859 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,840 yearlong cr congressman , 860 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:48,160 the funding to support the Afghan 861 00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:50,460 military that so called a S . F . F 862 00:35:50,460 --> 00:35:52,516 training , those funds are basically 863 00:35:52,516 --> 00:35:54,571 not usable now because there is no , 864 00:35:54,571 --> 00:35:57,170 there is no , you know , afghan forces 865 00:35:57,170 --> 00:35:59,281 that meet the legal standards so that 866 00:35:59,281 --> 00:36:01,503 money would basically be something that 867 00:36:01,503 --> 00:36:03,559 if your committee writes a full year 868 00:36:03,559 --> 00:36:05,614 bill that would anticipate you would 869 00:36:05,614 --> 00:36:05,340 you would take all the money and 870 00:36:05,340 --> 00:36:07,451 redistributed to other needs . But we 871 00:36:07,451 --> 00:36:09,562 are unable to do that for you or with 872 00:36:09,562 --> 00:36:12,340 you under a cr of course there are 873 00:36:12,350 --> 00:36:14,990 reductions in in other areas because we 874 00:36:14,990 --> 00:36:17,212 have less presence ourselves within the 875 00:36:17,212 --> 00:36:19,157 army's account in particular . But 876 00:36:19,157 --> 00:36:21,212 those things focused specifically on 877 00:36:21,212 --> 00:36:23,323 Afghanistan are just uh that money is 878 00:36:23,323 --> 00:36:25,379 sort of sitting there frozen and not 879 00:36:25,379 --> 00:36:27,268 usable because it's we don't have 880 00:36:27,268 --> 00:36:29,379 enough transfer authority to move all 881 00:36:29,379 --> 00:36:31,840 of that two other needs . All right , 882 00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,007 thank you , madam Chair , thank you so 883 00:36:34,007 --> 00:36:36,007 much . Thank you to the witnesses . 884 00:36:36,007 --> 00:36:38,229 Thank you . We're going to have mr cole 885 00:36:38,229 --> 00:36:40,396 go next after him . Miss boost owes mr 886 00:36:40,396 --> 00:36:43,030 Womack and then MS kilpatrick . Um , I 887 00:36:43,030 --> 00:36:45,190 recognize my friend , the gentleman 888 00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:47,580 from Oklahoma . Mr cole , thank you 889 00:36:47,580 --> 00:36:49,870 very much Madam Chair . And uh , I want 890 00:36:49,870 --> 00:36:52,260 to begin by associating myself with the 891 00:36:52,260 --> 00:36:55,050 comments of ranking member granger and 892 00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:58,760 ranking member calvert . Um in terms of 893 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,620 their concerns . I think representative 894 00:37:01,620 --> 00:37:03,953 calvert put it pretty well when he said , 895 00:37:03,953 --> 00:37:06,009 look , the outline of a deal here is 896 00:37:06,009 --> 00:37:08,231 pretty obvious . The defense number has 897 00:37:08,231 --> 00:37:10,342 got to go up the domestic numbers got 898 00:37:10,342 --> 00:37:12,398 to come down to some degree . One of 899 00:37:12,398 --> 00:37:14,620 them pills got to go out Hyde has to go 900 00:37:14,620 --> 00:37:16,842 back in and I think we all uh know that 901 00:37:16,842 --> 00:37:19,064 and I want to commend the chairwoman of 902 00:37:19,064 --> 00:37:21,064 the full committee because nobody's 903 00:37:21,064 --> 00:37:23,231 worked harder to try and get everybody 904 00:37:23,231 --> 00:37:25,398 around the table than our chairwoman . 905 00:37:25,398 --> 00:37:27,453 Uh and nobody's been more aggressive 906 00:37:27,453 --> 00:37:29,620 about trying to be tough on Dateline's 907 00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:31,731 than our chairman , you know , trying 908 00:37:31,731 --> 00:37:31,580 to restrict the time trying to make 909 00:37:31,580 --> 00:37:33,747 sure that we got this done in a timely 910 00:37:33,747 --> 00:37:35,802 fashion so that the the folks at the 911 00:37:35,802 --> 00:37:37,747 pentagon and every other agency of 912 00:37:37,747 --> 00:37:39,636 government could plan and use the 913 00:37:39,636 --> 00:37:42,260 resources we give them wisely . So I've 914 00:37:42,260 --> 00:37:44,204 got very little criticism for this 915 00:37:44,204 --> 00:37:45,760 subcommittee . None for the 916 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,816 subcommittee , frankly , very little 917 00:37:47,816 --> 00:37:50,038 for our our full committee . I will say 918 00:37:50,038 --> 00:37:52,260 this is a suggestion before I get to my 919 00:37:52,260 --> 00:37:54,427 my question , just well , maybe beyond 920 00:37:54,427 --> 00:37:56,649 us , Madam , Chair , we may need number 921 00:37:56,649 --> 00:37:58,760 one the leadership of both parties to 922 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,816 sit down and get engaged in both the 923 00:38:00,816 --> 00:38:02,927 House and the Senate . I know they've 924 00:38:02,927 --> 00:38:05,260 got a lot of different responsibilities , 925 00:38:05,260 --> 00:38:05,000 but I think they're big one is funding 926 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,056 the government . And I would say the 927 00:38:07,056 --> 00:38:09,278 same thing with all due respect . And I 928 00:38:09,278 --> 00:38:09,260 mean this respectfully for the 929 00:38:09,260 --> 00:38:11,500 President of the administration . The 930 00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:13,800 president has been a pretty busy guy . 931 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,022 He got some things done . Uh you know , 932 00:38:16,022 --> 00:38:18,310 the covid relief bill , infrastructure 933 00:38:18,310 --> 00:38:20,470 bill . He's working on things now . 934 00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,660 He's not having as much success on , 935 00:38:22,780 --> 00:38:25,620 you know changing the filibuster voting 936 00:38:25,620 --> 00:38:27,710 legislation build back better bill . 937 00:38:27,720 --> 00:38:29,887 Maybe he needs to focus on funding the 938 00:38:29,887 --> 00:38:32,780 government that he heads . Uh and uh 939 00:38:32,790 --> 00:38:35,070 maybe we need a White House convention 940 00:38:35,070 --> 00:38:37,237 because we're not going to get some of 941 00:38:37,237 --> 00:38:38,959 these decisions transcend this 942 00:38:38,959 --> 00:38:41,126 committee . This subcommittee has very 943 00:38:41,126 --> 00:38:43,181 little to do with hide uh you know , 944 00:38:43,181 --> 00:38:45,292 but hide certainly is going to impact 945 00:38:45,292 --> 00:38:47,850 our ability to get our job done . So 946 00:38:47,850 --> 00:38:49,850 we're gonna have to get some people 947 00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:51,739 above our level engaged in in the 948 00:38:51,739 --> 00:38:53,906 process . And the president at the end 949 00:38:53,906 --> 00:38:56,128 of the day is the Commander in chief is 950 00:38:56,128 --> 00:38:58,239 responsible for the military . Uh and 951 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,350 we need some focus here , not on some 952 00:39:00,350 --> 00:39:02,572 of these other agendas that frankly are 953 00:39:02,572 --> 00:39:04,794 stalling out right now . Now , in terms 954 00:39:04,794 --> 00:39:07,017 of this specific hearing , let me ask a 955 00:39:07,017 --> 00:39:08,961 couple of questions . I want to go 956 00:39:08,961 --> 00:39:11,072 first to General Brown if I may , I'm 957 00:39:11,072 --> 00:39:13,072 fortunate enough to have Tinker Air 958 00:39:13,072 --> 00:39:15,128 Force base in my district and I know 959 00:39:15,128 --> 00:39:17,183 how important logistics are and just 960 00:39:17,183 --> 00:39:19,406 the maintenance of what you have . So I 961 00:39:19,406 --> 00:39:21,517 would like to ask you what a CR would 962 00:39:21,517 --> 00:39:23,406 do , number one , we're expanding 963 00:39:23,406 --> 00:39:25,517 capabilities down there for the KC 46 964 00:39:25,517 --> 00:39:27,350 and for other potential missions 965 00:39:27,350 --> 00:39:29,461 looking ahead that we might pick up . 966 00:39:29,461 --> 00:39:31,572 Uh and then number two , just the day 967 00:39:31,572 --> 00:39:34,050 to day maintenance of uh what's frankly 968 00:39:34,050 --> 00:39:36,570 an aging air fleet . Uh you know , what 969 00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:38,792 will the CR do in terms of your ability 970 00:39:38,792 --> 00:39:41,126 to take care of those kinds of problems . 971 00:39:41,720 --> 00:39:43,942 Thank you . Representative Cold and and 972 00:39:43,942 --> 00:39:45,998 you , you know specifically , I mean 973 00:39:45,998 --> 00:39:48,164 very broadly the CR will have a number 974 00:39:48,164 --> 00:39:50,053 of challenges for a number of our 975 00:39:50,053 --> 00:39:51,942 depots and really weapon system , 976 00:39:51,942 --> 00:39:53,887 sustainment accounts which will be 977 00:39:53,887 --> 00:39:55,942 impacted when you think really about 978 00:39:55,942 --> 00:39:58,164 tinker one of the things and when I had 979 00:39:58,164 --> 00:40:00,220 a chance to visit there was the site 980 00:40:00,220 --> 00:40:03,100 for the KC 46 aspects for the depot 981 00:40:03,110 --> 00:40:05,332 that it will be one of those that would 982 00:40:05,332 --> 00:40:07,554 not get done if we had a long year long 983 00:40:07,554 --> 00:40:09,721 Cr and that will get delayed and which 984 00:40:09,721 --> 00:40:11,832 would impact our being sustained that 985 00:40:11,832 --> 00:40:14,054 particular platform . I think the other 986 00:40:14,054 --> 00:40:16,277 aspect when you look at W . S . S . And 987 00:40:16,277 --> 00:40:18,780 our depots , um when you have this 988 00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:21,010 aging fleet that that we do have , it 989 00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:23,121 does also impact the workforce if you 990 00:40:23,121 --> 00:40:25,343 don't have the funding there to balance 991 00:40:25,343 --> 00:40:27,454 that workforce to actually go against 992 00:40:27,454 --> 00:40:29,566 the the platforms were trying to work 993 00:40:29,566 --> 00:40:31,621 through in addition to the parts and 994 00:40:31,621 --> 00:40:33,843 the spares and supply chain , all those 995 00:40:33,843 --> 00:40:36,010 things kind of come together that have 996 00:40:36,010 --> 00:40:38,177 an impact . And then the other part of 997 00:40:38,177 --> 00:40:39,899 the sea are also offer the the 998 00:40:39,899 --> 00:40:42,010 investment not only uh , with the Air 999 00:40:42,010 --> 00:40:43,843 Force but also with our industry 1000 00:40:43,843 --> 00:40:45,788 partners in the small business and 1001 00:40:45,788 --> 00:40:48,160 vendors that help support us . Uh they 1002 00:40:48,170 --> 00:40:50,281 don't have a predictable funding flow 1003 00:40:50,281 --> 00:40:52,614 and so you don't bring on the workforce , 1004 00:40:52,614 --> 00:40:54,614 you don't bring on the parks and it 1005 00:40:54,614 --> 00:40:54,290 just slows everything down for us . It 1006 00:40:54,290 --> 00:40:56,012 will have a huge impact on our 1007 00:40:56,012 --> 00:40:58,234 readiness across the air force and then 1008 00:40:58,234 --> 00:41:00,401 a lot of that will end up doing on the 1009 00:41:00,401 --> 00:41:02,401 backs of our arms and we don't want 1010 00:41:02,401 --> 00:41:01,740 that and then then it becomes a 1011 00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:03,629 retention issue . So just there's 1012 00:41:03,629 --> 00:41:06,210 compounding impacts with with the 1013 00:41:06,210 --> 00:41:08,400 yearlong Cr Thank you appreciate that 1014 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,567 very much , Madam Chair . I may be out 1015 00:41:10,567 --> 00:41:12,567 of time . If not , I've had a quick 1016 00:41:12,567 --> 00:41:14,870 question for um for General Martin 1017 00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:17,100 which he partly covered earlier , but I 1018 00:41:17,100 --> 00:41:19,690 also go for it . Okay , thank you , 1019 00:41:19,690 --> 00:41:22,090 Madam Chair also privileged to have 1020 00:41:22,100 --> 00:41:24,322 forts still in my district and a couple 1021 00:41:24,322 --> 00:41:26,544 of the modernization missions that have 1022 00:41:26,544 --> 00:41:28,711 been laid out by the army or are based 1023 00:41:28,711 --> 00:41:30,690 there and General martin from a 1024 00:41:30,690 --> 00:41:32,746 modernization standpoint , I know we 1025 00:41:32,746 --> 00:41:35,730 are in a very serious contest with near 1026 00:41:35,730 --> 00:41:39,140 peer adversaries . What would a CR do ? 1027 00:41:39,140 --> 00:41:41,029 And in terms of setting back your 1028 00:41:41,029 --> 00:41:43,251 efforts to have the force ready to deal 1029 00:41:43,251 --> 00:41:46,290 with God forbid . You know , the kinds 1030 00:41:46,290 --> 00:41:49,020 of adversaries that have , we haven't 1031 00:41:49,020 --> 00:41:51,242 fought a long time that have armor that 1032 00:41:51,242 --> 00:41:53,298 have air forces that have comparable 1033 00:41:53,298 --> 00:41:55,242 technical capabilities to what the 1034 00:41:55,242 --> 00:41:58,700 United States military has Congressman . 1035 00:41:58,700 --> 00:42:01,050 It's good seeing you again . And thank 1036 00:42:01,050 --> 00:42:03,272 you for the question . I'll just , I'll 1037 00:42:03,272 --> 00:42:06,270 try to put this is simply as I could , 1038 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:08,336 you know , our Chief of Staff of the 1039 00:42:08,336 --> 00:42:10,169 Army . General McConville stated 1040 00:42:10,169 --> 00:42:12,390 previously that we've got 24 of our 31 1041 00:42:12,390 --> 00:42:14,760 plus four signature programs are going 1042 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,990 to be in some form or fashion in the 1043 00:42:16,990 --> 00:42:19,370 hands of soldiers . Whether it's in an 1044 00:42:19,380 --> 00:42:21,269 operational testing , environment 1045 00:42:21,269 --> 00:42:23,491 soldier touch point or actually feeling 1046 00:42:23,491 --> 00:42:25,930 it . 24 of those programs , We'll be 1047 00:42:25,930 --> 00:42:29,120 out there by 2023 . Well 1048 00:42:29,130 --> 00:42:31,019 without the funding that would be 1049 00:42:31,019 --> 00:42:33,130 associated with the restraints of the 1050 00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:35,910 cr 19 of those 24 programs will be 1051 00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:38,021 impact . The timing of those programs 1052 00:42:38,021 --> 00:42:40,021 will be impacted . So that's a huge 1053 00:42:40,021 --> 00:42:41,799 impact . And once again , as my 1054 00:42:41,799 --> 00:42:43,910 colleagues have all said so aptly you 1055 00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:46,520 can't get back time , but it's also the 1056 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,742 resources that we could have spent this 1057 00:42:48,742 --> 00:42:50,853 year . We're gonna have to spend next 1058 00:42:50,853 --> 00:42:53,070 year , which means it's twice the cost 1059 00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,480 and so it's a huge impact on our 1060 00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:59,020 modernization and maintaining our 1061 00:42:59,030 --> 00:43:00,974 ability to compete in the future . 1062 00:43:00,974 --> 00:43:03,197 Thank you . Thank you very much . Thank 1063 00:43:03,197 --> 00:43:06,030 you , Madam Chair MS boost owes Mr 1064 00:43:06,030 --> 00:43:08,550 Womack then MS Kirkpatrick and Mr 1065 00:43:08,550 --> 00:43:10,550 carter and I have to step out for a 1066 00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:12,494 minute . So Mr Queer has a gavel . 1067 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,040 Yes , thank you very much Madam Chair 1068 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,207 and also want to thank you and and the 1069 00:43:18,207 --> 00:43:20,660 ranking member for having this hearing 1070 00:43:20,660 --> 00:43:22,771 today , I want to thank our witnesses 1071 00:43:22,771 --> 00:43:24,938 as well for your service and your your 1072 00:43:24,938 --> 00:43:26,938 leadership and and certainly during 1073 00:43:26,938 --> 00:43:29,170 these uncertain times , obviously 1074 00:43:29,170 --> 00:43:31,448 whether we're democrats or republicans , 1075 00:43:31,448 --> 00:43:34,170 we can all agree that national security 1076 00:43:34,170 --> 00:43:37,620 is critical to all of us and uh funding 1077 00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:39,787 the Department of Defense Reliably and 1078 00:43:39,787 --> 00:43:41,900 on and on time is something that I 1079 00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:44,790 think we all know is desirable . Um let 1080 00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:47,012 me start if I could please with general 1081 00:43:47,012 --> 00:43:49,360 martin , I'd like to ask you a question 1082 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,620 about the modernization efforts at the 1083 00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:54,520 army um in the congressional district 1084 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,870 that I serve in Illinois . We are home 1085 00:43:57,870 --> 00:44:00,070 to the Rock Island arsenal and as you 1086 00:44:00,070 --> 00:44:02,820 know , that sits on an island in the 1087 00:44:02,820 --> 00:44:05,042 middle of the Mississippi River between 1088 00:44:05,042 --> 00:44:07,098 the states of Iowa and Illinois . Um 1089 00:44:07,098 --> 00:44:10,560 and the arsenal is home to the Army's 1090 00:44:10,570 --> 00:44:12,940 Center of Excellence for additive and 1091 00:44:12,940 --> 00:44:15,460 advanced manufacturing . Um and right 1092 00:44:15,460 --> 00:44:17,980 now the the Center of excellence is 1093 00:44:17,980 --> 00:44:21,130 working on really just some amazing new 1094 00:44:21,130 --> 00:44:23,240 research into the next generation 1095 00:44:23,240 --> 00:44:26,100 combat vehicle . And it will soon be 1096 00:44:26,100 --> 00:44:28,950 home to the world's largest metal three 1097 00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:31,100 D printer that is actually being 1098 00:44:31,100 --> 00:44:33,156 manufactured in the northern part of 1099 00:44:33,156 --> 00:44:35,044 our congressional district out of 1100 00:44:35,044 --> 00:44:34,920 Rockford . So that will go from 1101 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,976 Rockford being manufactured and then 1102 00:44:36,976 --> 00:44:39,198 come down to the quad cities . But this 1103 00:44:39,198 --> 00:44:41,350 program is critical to the future of 1104 00:44:41,350 --> 00:44:43,740 the arsenal and we believe also to the 1105 00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:46,350 future of the army . So , general 1106 00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:48,890 martin , if you could share your 1107 00:44:48,890 --> 00:44:52,700 thoughts about how a yearlong 1108 00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:55,200 continuing resolution would impact 1109 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:57,780 major acquisitions and research 1110 00:44:57,780 --> 00:44:59,891 programs within the army . And if any 1111 00:44:59,891 --> 00:45:02,058 thoughts that you have specific to the 1112 00:45:02,058 --> 00:45:03,724 Rock Island arsenal as well , 1113 00:45:03,790 --> 00:45:06,440 congresswoman , I am not tracking any 1114 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,410 direct impacts to Rock Island arsenal , 1115 00:45:09,410 --> 00:45:11,354 but what I'll tell you is , it's a 1116 00:45:11,354 --> 00:45:15,170 great example of the need and 1117 00:45:15,180 --> 00:45:19,100 our executing a long term 1118 00:45:19,110 --> 00:45:22,340 organic industrial base modernization 1119 00:45:22,340 --> 00:45:24,507 programs so that we can meet the needs 1120 00:45:24,507 --> 00:45:27,910 of the future . That being said there 1121 00:45:27,910 --> 00:45:30,660 are other organic industrial based 1122 00:45:30,670 --> 00:45:33,930 modernization efforts that we are 1123 00:45:33,940 --> 00:45:36,051 planning on doing this year but won't 1124 00:45:36,051 --> 00:45:39,030 be able to do it Because we won't be 1125 00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:42,470 able to use the 22 funds for a new 1126 00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:44,710 start , but across the modernization 1127 00:45:45,290 --> 00:45:47,512 programs for the army , new starts , 71 1128 00:45:47,512 --> 00:45:49,650 programs affected where Rock Island 1129 00:45:49,650 --> 00:45:52,060 arsenal indirectly supports those 1130 00:45:52,060 --> 00:45:54,870 programs . I don't know , but I'll bet 1131 00:45:54,870 --> 00:45:56,870 there's an impact . I don't want to 1132 00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:58,981 speculate though . Procurement delays 1133 00:45:58,981 --> 00:46:01,690 29 developmental delays , research and 1134 00:46:01,690 --> 00:46:04,160 development activities . 32 programs 1135 00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,104 delayed . So there's a huge impact 1136 00:46:06,104 --> 00:46:08,900 across the army there . And uh , 1137 00:46:08,910 --> 00:46:11,540 arsenals like the Rock Island arsenal 1138 00:46:11,550 --> 00:46:14,160 are a key component to our holistic 1139 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,540 organic , industrial based , not only 1140 00:46:16,540 --> 00:46:18,484 for today's needs but also for the 1141 00:46:18,484 --> 00:46:20,707 future . So it's very important that we 1142 00:46:20,707 --> 00:46:22,929 continue to modernize them and we don't 1143 00:46:22,929 --> 00:46:25,262 want to wait until next year to do that . 1144 00:46:25,262 --> 00:46:27,318 What we plan to do this year . Thank 1145 00:46:27,318 --> 00:46:29,484 you . Thank you . General martin . I , 1146 00:46:29,484 --> 00:46:31,373 I appreciate that . Just one more 1147 00:46:31,373 --> 00:46:33,540 question and I'll I'll be brief here , 1148 00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:33,460 but General Brown , it's it's great to 1149 00:46:33,460 --> 00:46:35,682 see you even though it's virtual . Um , 1150 00:46:35,682 --> 00:46:37,610 we so appreciate it out of peoria 1151 00:46:37,610 --> 00:46:39,610 Illinois that you came to the 182nd 1152 00:46:39,610 --> 00:46:42,650 Airlift wing uh , this past summer and 1153 00:46:42,660 --> 00:46:44,882 we always welcome you back . Um , and I 1154 00:46:44,882 --> 00:46:46,827 know that Congressman Ryan already 1155 00:46:46,827 --> 00:46:49,049 talked , I talked with you a little bit 1156 00:46:49,049 --> 00:46:51,190 about the C one thirties . Um , I'm , 1157 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,750 you know , let's , let's uh , if you 1158 00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:55,861 could drill maybe a little bit deeper 1159 00:46:55,861 --> 00:46:58,028 on that obviously . Um , as as we have 1160 00:46:58,028 --> 00:47:00,170 this discussion about a year long Cr 1161 00:47:00,180 --> 00:47:02,180 and how that would affect Air Force 1162 00:47:02,180 --> 00:47:04,236 acquisition and modern modernization 1163 00:47:04,236 --> 00:47:06,500 efforts . Um , you know , for for the 1164 00:47:06,500 --> 00:47:08,611 National for the Air National Guard . 1165 00:47:08,611 --> 00:47:10,556 Um , you know , we've talked about 1166 00:47:10,556 --> 00:47:12,778 providing upgraded technologies for the 1167 00:47:12,778 --> 00:47:14,722 C 1 30 H is like the ones that are 1168 00:47:14,722 --> 00:47:16,778 flown to peoria . But any additional 1169 00:47:16,778 --> 00:47:19,020 thoughts ? Uh General Brown especially 1170 00:47:19,020 --> 00:47:22,450 specific to peoria Illinois , but what 1171 00:47:22,450 --> 00:47:24,450 I what I tell you it's not just for 1172 00:47:24,450 --> 00:47:26,617 peoria and the work that they do and I 1173 00:47:26,617 --> 00:47:26,450 appreciate the opportunity to to go 1174 00:47:26,450 --> 00:47:28,561 visit . But it's when you look across 1175 00:47:28,561 --> 00:47:31,280 the guard um because of the funding and 1176 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,502 the way that we'll have to dip into our 1177 00:47:33,502 --> 00:47:35,558 some of our other accounts , then it 1178 00:47:35,558 --> 00:47:37,669 will curtail some of their training . 1179 00:47:37,669 --> 00:47:37,490 So you know , just for their day to day 1180 00:47:37,500 --> 00:47:41,230 readiness as a , as a , as a C 1 30 1181 00:47:41,230 --> 00:47:43,280 unit that will be impacted . Then 1182 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,391 there's also the individual trains of 1183 00:47:45,391 --> 00:47:47,558 the professional development for those 1184 00:47:47,558 --> 00:47:49,613 particular men that will continue to 1185 00:47:49,613 --> 00:47:51,780 build up on their skill sets that will 1186 00:47:51,780 --> 00:47:51,360 also be impacted . And I would also 1187 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,471 tell you it's a ripple effect . So if 1188 00:47:53,471 --> 00:47:55,693 you have , you know , you don't get the 1189 00:47:55,693 --> 00:47:57,804 full training when you deserve it and 1190 00:47:57,804 --> 00:47:57,510 you're supposed to be trained someone 1191 00:47:57,510 --> 00:47:59,621 behind you then it just kind of , you 1192 00:47:59,621 --> 00:48:01,732 know , it kind of slides downhill and 1193 00:48:01,732 --> 00:48:03,843 it becomes a little bit of a slippery 1194 00:48:03,843 --> 00:48:03,520 slope that we have to dig ourselves out 1195 00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,680 of . And so I have a concern not just 1196 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,013 about peoria , but I really look across , 1197 00:48:08,013 --> 00:48:10,370 you know , the guard is as a whole the 1198 00:48:10,370 --> 00:48:12,660 impact of curtailing or counseling 1199 00:48:12,670 --> 00:48:14,448 training and you may miss those 1200 00:48:14,448 --> 00:48:16,670 opportunities for those airmen and it's 1201 00:48:16,670 --> 00:48:18,837 tough to make up because you don't get 1202 00:48:18,837 --> 00:48:18,630 that time back . And so it's important 1203 00:48:18,630 --> 00:48:20,741 that uh you know , we want to we want 1204 00:48:20,741 --> 00:48:22,908 quality running , we want to make sure 1205 00:48:22,908 --> 00:48:22,780 they have quality equipment to work 1206 00:48:22,780 --> 00:48:25,090 with and and that's why it's important 1207 00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:27,580 not to have a yearlong cr thank you 1208 00:48:27,590 --> 00:48:29,812 very good . Thank you so much . General 1209 00:48:29,812 --> 00:48:31,979 Brown and Chairwoman will call him , I 1210 00:48:31,979 --> 00:48:34,201 will yield back . Thank you . Thank you 1211 00:48:34,201 --> 00:48:36,146 and mr Queer , thank you for being 1212 00:48:36,146 --> 00:48:39,090 there . Um Mr Womack , then Misko 1213 00:48:39,090 --> 00:48:41,520 Patrick and mr carter , Thank you , 1214 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:43,687 madam , Chairwoman . And and my thanks 1215 00:48:43,687 --> 00:48:45,853 to the witnesses that are here today , 1216 00:48:45,853 --> 00:48:49,640 I'm gonna be very brief . Um and 1217 00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:51,706 first of all , I apologize to all of 1218 00:48:51,706 --> 00:48:54,100 the witnesses today that we're now two 1219 00:48:54,100 --> 00:48:57,480 hours into this um into this hearing 1220 00:48:57,490 --> 00:49:00,230 and I think we could have saved a lot 1221 00:49:00,230 --> 00:49:02,940 of time on the part of these very busy 1222 00:49:02,940 --> 00:49:05,200 gentlemen . Uh and ourselves for that 1223 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,810 matter . Uh by just um being honest 1224 00:49:08,810 --> 00:49:11,990 with ourselves and recognizing that a 1225 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:16,000 yearlong cr is bad and you can define 1226 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,056 bad a lot of ways and we've seen and 1227 00:49:18,056 --> 00:49:20,056 heard a lot of those definitions of 1228 00:49:20,056 --> 00:49:22,290 what bad looks like . It's just bad . 1229 00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:25,370 But not only is it bad , it is 1230 00:49:25,370 --> 00:49:28,960 embarrassing . Is embarrassing that 1231 00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:31,200 we , the adults in the room here on the 1232 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,680 appropriations committee . I cannot get 1233 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,240 out of our own way . A couple of data 1234 00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,073 points . One , we didn't get the 1235 00:49:38,073 --> 00:49:40,184 president's budget until May 28 . And 1236 00:49:40,184 --> 00:49:43,650 now that's not a dig on President Biden . 1237 00:49:43,660 --> 00:49:45,900 It's a new administration . I realized 1238 00:49:45,900 --> 00:49:47,789 it takes some time but we got the 1239 00:49:47,789 --> 00:49:51,180 budget on May 28 and the budget was for 1240 00:49:51,180 --> 00:49:54,690 $753 billion . There thereabouts 1241 00:49:54,900 --> 00:49:57,060 which Figured in about a 1242 00:49:57,060 --> 00:50:01,030 1.6% increase over the 1243 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:04,870 over the cr of about 740 billion 1244 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,070 um , woefully short uh , and 1245 00:50:08,070 --> 00:50:10,650 unacceptable . And it was known to be 1246 00:50:10,650 --> 00:50:12,970 unacceptable acceptable when it when it 1247 00:50:12,970 --> 00:50:15,800 was printed . So here we are looking at 1248 00:50:15,810 --> 00:50:18,032 the prospect of having to deal with the 1249 00:50:18,032 --> 00:50:20,340 full year cr in the 740 range . But we 1250 00:50:20,340 --> 00:50:22,700 have a bipartisan bicameral agreement 1251 00:50:22,710 --> 00:50:26,320 on the n . a . of $768 billion . 1252 00:50:26,490 --> 00:50:28,930 So a lot of good bipartisan bicameral 1253 00:50:28,930 --> 00:50:30,910 work has already been done and the 1254 00:50:30,910 --> 00:50:34,630 number is pretty acceptable . I would 1255 00:50:34,630 --> 00:50:36,463 say I'm not going to ask all the 1256 00:50:36,463 --> 00:50:38,780 service chiefs to comment on it . But 1257 00:50:38,790 --> 00:50:42,150 uh 7 47 68 . I don't think there would 1258 00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:44,380 be any doubt where everybody would fall 1259 00:50:44,390 --> 00:50:46,557 on that particular number , which kind 1260 00:50:46,557 --> 00:50:48,612 of leaves us , I think to the Legacy 1261 00:50:48,612 --> 00:50:50,723 riders , Legacy riders that have been 1262 00:50:50,723 --> 00:50:53,980 in these bills for decades that have 1263 00:50:53,980 --> 00:50:56,570 always had bipartisan bicameral support . 1264 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:00,800 So I am frankly , I'm embarrassed as a 1265 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,522 defense appropriator and as an 1266 00:51:02,522 --> 00:51:04,730 appropriator in general , that we have 1267 00:51:04,730 --> 00:51:08,310 allowed uh that discussion uh , 1268 00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:12,210 to uh to keep us from doing what 1269 00:51:12,220 --> 00:51:14,387 our constitutional duty is and that is 1270 00:51:14,387 --> 00:51:16,387 provide for the common defense . So 1271 00:51:16,387 --> 00:51:18,498 it's a bad , bad situation that we're 1272 00:51:18,498 --> 00:51:20,387 in right now and and we've got to 1273 00:51:20,387 --> 00:51:22,387 overcome it . Uh and the sooner the 1274 00:51:22,387 --> 00:51:24,498 better , I think we could get to work 1275 00:51:24,498 --> 00:51:26,498 on it tomorrow if we could just get 1276 00:51:26,498 --> 00:51:28,664 some agreement . That things that have 1277 00:51:28,664 --> 00:51:30,720 been in these bills for decades um , 1278 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:32,776 deserves to be back in those bills . 1279 00:51:32,776 --> 00:51:34,998 And that's the only way we're gonna get 1280 00:51:34,998 --> 00:51:36,998 a passage on something other than a 1281 00:51:36,998 --> 00:51:38,998 full year Cr my only question , I'm 1282 00:51:38,998 --> 00:51:41,220 gonna direct to the undersecretary Back 1283 00:51:41,220 --> 00:51:43,170 in 2018 , Another member of this 1284 00:51:43,170 --> 00:51:45,114 subcommittee , Derek Kilmer on the 1285 00:51:45,114 --> 00:51:47,690 other side , and myself participated in 1286 00:51:47,690 --> 00:51:49,634 a joint select committee on budget 1287 00:51:49,634 --> 00:51:51,523 process reform . And we spent the 1288 00:51:51,523 --> 00:51:54,260 better part of the entire year of 2018 1289 00:51:54,270 --> 00:51:56,460 looking at the budget process , which 1290 00:51:56,470 --> 00:51:58,526 is in fact part of the problem right 1291 00:51:58,526 --> 00:52:01,270 now . Um and we came up with a few 1292 00:52:01,270 --> 00:52:04,840 ideas and then we got to the finish 1293 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:08,700 line . And uh even though our threshold 1294 00:52:08,700 --> 00:52:11,790 for passage of anything was , was 1295 00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:13,911 pretty high five members on each side 1296 00:52:13,911 --> 00:52:16,210 of the aisle to come to agreement . Um , 1297 00:52:16,220 --> 00:52:18,230 and we didn't get there . But that 1298 00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:20,174 doesn't mean that the work was for 1299 00:52:20,174 --> 00:52:22,286 naught . So my question for the under 1300 00:52:22,286 --> 00:52:24,286 secretary is simply this one of the 1301 00:52:24,286 --> 00:52:26,900 reforms that we advocated in that 1302 00:52:26,900 --> 00:52:29,270 process reform and never got a chance 1303 00:52:29,270 --> 00:52:31,437 to take to the floors of the house and 1304 00:52:31,437 --> 00:52:34,480 the Senate was a a biennial budget . 1305 00:52:35,650 --> 00:52:38,260 So my question for you is this wood 1306 00:52:38,650 --> 00:52:41,660 changing the process and at least 1307 00:52:41,660 --> 00:52:43,882 getting us to a point where we could do 1308 00:52:43,882 --> 00:52:45,950 a two year budget with say annual 1309 00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:47,640 appropriations , even annual 1310 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,650 reconciliation , but a by any real 1311 00:52:50,660 --> 00:52:54,070 budget . How would that help 1312 00:52:54,550 --> 00:52:57,180 us get past what we're doing here today ? 1313 00:52:59,750 --> 00:53:01,861 Thank you congressman . I do remember 1314 00:53:01,861 --> 00:53:04,340 your your service on that committee and 1315 00:53:04,340 --> 00:53:06,730 as I recall defense per se was not a 1316 00:53:06,730 --> 00:53:08,960 big player because it was more focused 1317 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,127 on something some of the bigger movers 1318 00:53:11,127 --> 00:53:13,071 on the entitlement side . But I do 1319 00:53:13,071 --> 00:53:15,071 recall your your work on that and I 1320 00:53:15,071 --> 00:53:17,182 thank you for it , biennial budgeting 1321 00:53:17,182 --> 00:53:19,238 was looked at . I know , early in my 1322 00:53:19,238 --> 00:53:21,404 career on the Armed services committee 1323 00:53:21,404 --> 00:53:21,350 in the in the Senate in the eighties we 1324 00:53:21,350 --> 00:53:23,350 tried doing biennial authorizations 1325 00:53:23,350 --> 00:53:26,940 once or twice , uh had limited sort of 1326 00:53:26,940 --> 00:53:28,829 consensus with the appropriations 1327 00:53:28,829 --> 00:53:30,829 committees at that time between the 1328 00:53:30,829 --> 00:53:32,940 appropriators and authorize ear's and 1329 00:53:32,940 --> 00:53:34,996 it kind of petered out honestly , it 1330 00:53:34,996 --> 00:53:37,162 does offer potential . I would I would 1331 00:53:37,162 --> 00:53:39,384 love to see us master the art of annual 1332 00:53:39,384 --> 00:53:38,680 budgeting first because biennial 1333 00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:41,080 budgeting is a little harder , you know , 1334 00:53:41,090 --> 00:53:43,840 but I recognize that many states do it 1335 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,540 and it can be done . We would certainly 1336 00:53:46,540 --> 00:53:48,540 be open to looking at that . I know 1337 00:53:48,540 --> 00:53:50,762 that there's a commission that has been 1338 00:53:50,762 --> 00:53:52,984 created by the new authorization bill , 1339 00:53:52,984 --> 00:53:55,207 newly enacted authorization bill on PPB 1340 00:53:55,207 --> 00:53:57,151 reform , which is a subset sort of 1341 00:53:57,151 --> 00:53:59,262 focused on the internal pentagon part 1342 00:53:59,262 --> 00:54:01,262 of the process , a little different 1343 00:54:01,262 --> 00:54:00,970 than what you're saying . But but 1344 00:54:00,970 --> 00:54:03,800 related , I think ironically we won't 1345 00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:06,022 be able to support the stand up of that 1346 00:54:06,022 --> 00:54:08,078 commission under cr until until that 1347 00:54:08,078 --> 00:54:10,022 this issue is resolved . But there 1348 00:54:10,022 --> 00:54:12,244 there is some movement afoot I think on 1349 00:54:12,244 --> 00:54:14,467 that front and that commission may well 1350 00:54:14,467 --> 00:54:16,689 want to expand its purview a little bit 1351 00:54:16,689 --> 00:54:18,744 beyond the internal pentagon part of 1352 00:54:18,744 --> 00:54:20,911 the budget process to take on the very 1353 00:54:20,911 --> 00:54:22,967 idea that you're mentioning might be 1354 00:54:22,967 --> 00:54:22,900 good work for that commission to take a 1355 00:54:22,900 --> 00:54:25,210 fresh look at also . Well , we would 1356 00:54:25,210 --> 00:54:27,043 like to continue to elevate that 1357 00:54:27,043 --> 00:54:29,154 discussion because anything is better 1358 00:54:29,154 --> 00:54:31,000 than where we are today and and 1359 00:54:31,010 --> 00:54:33,066 hopefully we'll we'll eventually get 1360 00:54:33,066 --> 00:54:35,232 there anyway . Thanks my thanks to the 1361 00:54:35,232 --> 00:54:37,454 panelists today . Thank you madam Chair 1362 00:54:37,454 --> 00:54:39,566 for the opportunity to yield back you 1363 00:54:39,566 --> 00:54:41,732 are so welcome , Miss Kirkpatrick , Mr 1364 00:54:41,732 --> 00:54:45,480 carter and mr Kilmer , thank you Madam 1365 00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,110 Chair and ranking member for having 1366 00:54:48,110 --> 00:54:50,360 this hearing and thank you to all the 1367 00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:52,980 witnesses who have taken the time to 1368 00:54:52,980 --> 00:54:54,810 appear before the committee . I 1369 00:54:54,820 --> 00:54:56,540 appreciate your testimony . I 1370 00:54:56,540 --> 00:54:58,970 appreciate the time that you spent with 1371 00:54:58,970 --> 00:55:01,890 us . You know , this is a really 1372 00:55:01,900 --> 00:55:04,740 important cheering in terms of my 1373 00:55:04,740 --> 00:55:07,940 district . Admiral Gilda touched on 1374 00:55:07,940 --> 00:55:10,530 hypersonic and I understand that the 1375 00:55:10,530 --> 00:55:13,800 army expects its hypersonic weapon to 1376 00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,270 be ready by fiscal year 2023 and is 1377 00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:20,290 investing significant resources to make 1378 00:55:20,290 --> 00:55:23,590 that a reality important research and 1379 00:55:23,590 --> 00:55:25,780 development activities for hypersonic 1380 00:55:25,790 --> 00:55:29,400 weapons are conducted in my district . 1381 00:55:29,540 --> 00:55:31,429 And our committee appreciates how 1382 00:55:31,429 --> 00:55:33,660 critical these programs are for our 1383 00:55:33,660 --> 00:55:36,660 national security . So General 1384 00:55:36,660 --> 00:55:39,990 McConville or general martin either one 1385 00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:43,660 of you , the entire department has 1386 00:55:43,660 --> 00:55:47,050 focused on increasing resources on 1387 00:55:47,050 --> 00:55:50,670 hypersonic weapons in recent years . I 1388 00:55:50,670 --> 00:55:53,900 know you're on an aggressive track To 1389 00:55:53,900 --> 00:55:57,180 feel the first system by physical year 1390 00:55:57,180 --> 00:56:00,560 2023 . So can you please 1391 00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,580 describe to us what a delay in 1392 00:56:03,580 --> 00:56:05,960 appropriations does to your schedule ? 1393 00:56:09,430 --> 00:56:12,730 Congresswoman . Thank you . Uh , so as 1394 00:56:12,730 --> 00:56:14,930 it pertains to the first battery , the 1395 00:56:14,930 --> 00:56:17,950 first battery field in 2023 . No impact . 1396 00:56:17,950 --> 00:56:21,450 However , $100 million $111 million 1397 00:56:21,450 --> 00:56:25,230 22 resulting from uh , 1398 00:56:25,240 --> 00:56:29,200 the uh , cr Will delay the initial 1399 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:31,144 operating capability of our second 1400 00:56:31,144 --> 00:56:34,240 battery from 2025 to 1401 00:56:34,240 --> 00:56:38,130 2026 . In addition , uh , the army 1402 00:56:38,130 --> 00:56:40,180 won't have the necessary funds to 1403 00:56:40,190 --> 00:56:43,380 produce this year as we planned the 1404 00:56:43,380 --> 00:56:46,500 training rounds . Think uh , just the 1405 00:56:46,510 --> 00:56:49,830 training grounds so that the units can 1406 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,110 can use those rounds to train on in 1407 00:56:53,110 --> 00:56:55,750 preparation for executing their their 1408 00:56:55,750 --> 00:56:57,361 jobs in a , in a , in a live 1409 00:56:57,361 --> 00:56:59,472 environment . And so there would be a 1410 00:56:59,472 --> 00:57:01,583 delay on that as well . But those are 1411 00:57:01,583 --> 00:57:03,472 the two significant delays to the 1412 00:57:03,472 --> 00:57:05,472 hypersonic program . In addition to 1413 00:57:05,472 --> 00:57:07,361 what Admiral guild they described 1414 00:57:07,361 --> 00:57:09,528 previously in his testimony pertaining 1415 00:57:09,528 --> 00:57:13,500 to the technical delays . But now I 1416 00:57:13,500 --> 00:57:15,667 just want to shift gears just a little 1417 00:57:15,667 --> 00:57:18,910 bit to the next generation 1418 00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,050 interceptor . The next generation 1419 00:57:22,060 --> 00:57:24,810 interceptor program is required to 1420 00:57:24,810 --> 00:57:26,754 provide the United States homeland 1421 00:57:26,754 --> 00:57:29,940 coverage from incoming 1422 00:57:30,140 --> 00:57:32,120 intercontinental ballistic missile 1423 00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,140 attacks In the 2030 1424 00:57:35,150 --> 00:57:38,550 timeframe . These are ground based . 1425 00:57:38,930 --> 00:57:42,660 So under Secretary McCord in the 1426 00:57:42,660 --> 00:57:45,750 case of a yearlong cR , how would 1427 00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:48,650 programs like N . G . I have to pivot 1428 00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:51,650 and adjust . And then my second 1429 00:57:51,650 --> 00:57:53,372 question for you is give us an 1430 00:57:53,372 --> 00:57:56,230 understanding of how contracts might 1431 00:57:56,230 --> 00:57:59,320 need to be modified to reflect less 1432 00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,160 funding and what impact that would have 1433 00:58:02,170 --> 00:58:05,110 on the bottom line of these programs . 1434 00:58:07,220 --> 00:58:09,840 Thank you . Thank you on the next 1435 00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,840 generation interceptor . Since that 1436 00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:14,062 program is in a somewhat earlier stages 1437 00:58:14,062 --> 00:58:16,870 got the flexibility that R and D has . 1438 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,450 If there is not a new start involved 1439 00:58:19,450 --> 00:58:21,283 and I would have to I will get a 1440 00:58:21,283 --> 00:58:23,339 response to you for the record as to 1441 00:58:23,339 --> 00:58:25,283 whether there is a new start issue 1442 00:58:25,283 --> 00:58:27,394 specific to that program with respect 1443 00:58:27,394 --> 00:58:30,730 to the contracting . The probably the 1444 00:58:30,730 --> 00:58:32,730 most common thing that people do is 1445 00:58:32,730 --> 00:58:35,230 either delay a contract award until if 1446 00:58:35,230 --> 00:58:37,452 there is a new start issue they have no 1447 00:58:37,452 --> 00:58:39,674 choice but to delay a contract award or 1448 00:58:39,674 --> 00:58:41,841 to shorten the period of performance . 1449 00:58:41,841 --> 00:58:43,952 So there are ways that basically it's 1450 00:58:43,952 --> 00:58:46,119 part of the hidden inefficiency of the 1451 00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:48,341 of the CR processes , the workarounds , 1452 00:58:48,341 --> 00:58:50,452 you know , the job will get done in a 1453 00:58:50,452 --> 00:58:52,452 less efficient way and and possibly 1454 00:58:52,452 --> 00:58:54,230 more costly way . But there are 1455 00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:56,452 contracting modifications , contracting 1456 00:58:56,452 --> 00:58:58,397 and budgeting of course are in our 1457 00:58:58,397 --> 00:59:00,619 process a little bit to separate things 1458 00:59:00,619 --> 00:59:03,230 and uh there are multiple ways that one 1459 00:59:03,230 --> 00:59:05,640 can contract for something depending on , 1460 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:07,696 you know , on the circumstance . But 1461 00:59:07,696 --> 00:59:09,807 the lack of funding is something that 1462 00:59:09,807 --> 00:59:11,807 no contracting mechanism can can by 1463 00:59:11,807 --> 00:59:15,780 itself overcome . Okay , 1464 00:59:15,780 --> 00:59:19,530 thank you . Um and and can you , 1465 00:59:19,540 --> 00:59:22,610 can you address a little bit how this 1466 00:59:22,610 --> 00:59:24,721 is going to affect the bottom line of 1467 00:59:24,721 --> 00:59:28,630 these programs ? Well , 1468 00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,770 both with respect to hypersonic and I 1469 00:59:30,770 --> 00:59:32,826 think General Raymond also made some 1470 00:59:32,826 --> 00:59:34,937 great points in his opening statement 1471 00:59:34,937 --> 00:59:37,048 about about the Space force generally 1472 00:59:37,048 --> 00:59:39,214 is the areas where you're trying to go 1473 00:59:39,214 --> 00:59:39,200 the fastest where you have the most 1474 00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,089 change our , what's our , what is 1475 00:59:41,089 --> 00:59:43,144 impacted the most by the requirement 1476 00:59:43,144 --> 00:59:45,256 that you do what you did last year at 1477 00:59:45,256 --> 00:59:47,367 the rate that you did it last year at 1478 00:59:47,367 --> 00:59:49,367 the funding level that you did last 1479 00:59:49,367 --> 00:59:51,311 year . So hypersonic is is a great 1480 00:59:51,311 --> 00:59:53,589 example across several of the services . 1481 00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:53,580 And I think several of the Chiefs could 1482 00:59:53,580 --> 00:59:55,413 probably respond to this on with 1483 00:59:55,413 --> 00:59:58,060 respect to their own program where the 1484 00:59:58,060 --> 01:00:00,060 fact that we're trying to make more 1485 01:00:00,060 --> 01:00:02,171 progress . That's where were hurt the 1486 01:00:02,171 --> 01:00:04,510 most . Thank you very much and Madam 1487 01:00:04,510 --> 01:00:07,670 chair , I yield back thank you . Um 1488 01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:11,390 Next we go to mr carter , Mr carter and 1489 01:00:11,390 --> 01:00:13,910 then Mr Kilmer and then to close up 1490 01:00:13,910 --> 01:00:16,360 it'll be Mr Diaz Ballard , Mr Overholt , 1491 01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,060 Mr carter . Thank you , Madam Chairman . 1492 01:00:19,070 --> 01:00:22,670 Um you know , we've got some members of 1493 01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:25,300 Congress , I don't know , come back 1494 01:00:25,300 --> 01:00:28,020 from sick um about the appropriations 1495 01:00:28,020 --> 01:00:31,070 process . They make stupid comments , 1496 01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:34,243 but what would be good for this country ? 1497 01:00:34,610 --> 01:00:36,750 That may be the purpose of educating 1498 01:00:36,750 --> 01:00:39,640 them ? This particular hearing 1499 01:00:40,310 --> 01:00:43,730 everyone appropriations committee . 1500 01:00:44,310 --> 01:00:48,020 We do not like crs can we do not want 1501 01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:51,700 long or short term crs ? We like to 1502 01:00:51,700 --> 01:00:54,950 finish our work on time , put 1503 01:00:54,950 --> 01:00:58,140 together product for the benefit of the 1504 01:00:58,140 --> 01:01:02,110 country . And I think when somebody 1505 01:01:02,110 --> 01:01:04,020 is in the newspaper shouldn't be 1506 01:01:04,020 --> 01:01:07,860 driving our is it all ? But I want to 1507 01:01:07,860 --> 01:01:10,530 thank all of you for being here . You 1508 01:01:10,530 --> 01:01:12,641 know , martin , I wanna thank you for 1509 01:01:12,641 --> 01:01:15,280 telling everybody about the importance 1510 01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:17,870 of training , training keeps those 1511 01:01:17,870 --> 01:01:21,730 alive . The only inability to train 1512 01:01:22,210 --> 01:01:24,490 makes it a certain soldier not as 1513 01:01:24,490 --> 01:01:26,760 prepared . And that that's very 1514 01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:29,440 important . You know , we've got a 1515 01:01:29,810 --> 01:01:33,290 trying to rebuild the modernization of 1516 01:01:33,290 --> 01:01:36,690 the United States Army Things were 1517 01:01:36,730 --> 01:01:40,440 looking into the Big six priorities are 1518 01:01:40,710 --> 01:01:44,340 long range by next generation combat 1519 01:01:44,340 --> 01:01:46,730 vehicle , future vertical lift 1520 01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,680 network , air and missile defense . 1521 01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:57,160 Tell me and then you realizing that 1522 01:01:57,340 --> 01:02:00,370 nobody will just say you are , what was 1523 01:02:00,370 --> 01:02:01,370 the R . D . 1524 01:02:07,600 --> 01:02:10,570 General martin , thank you congressman , 1525 01:02:10,570 --> 01:02:13,120 it's good to see you as always . Uh so 1526 01:02:14,500 --> 01:02:18,390 everyone like I like I There's 24 1527 01:02:18,390 --> 01:02:20,557 programs that were supposed to have in 1528 01:02:20,557 --> 01:02:22,557 the hands in one form or fashion or 1529 01:02:22,557 --> 01:02:25,940 another in 2023 19 . Of those 24 1530 01:02:25,940 --> 01:02:28,130 programs , the timeline for those 1531 01:02:28,130 --> 01:02:30,760 activities to land those in formations 1532 01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:32,704 would be affected . So it's a huge 1533 01:02:32,704 --> 01:02:35,250 effect to our modernization effort . Uh 1534 01:02:35,260 --> 01:02:37,260 you know , you're from the state of 1535 01:02:37,260 --> 01:02:39,260 Texas and you know , all about Army 1536 01:02:39,260 --> 01:02:41,482 futures command and you understand what 1537 01:02:41,482 --> 01:02:43,593 they've done with project convergence 1538 01:02:43,593 --> 01:02:45,760 and 2021 , we've got a lot of momentum 1539 01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,816 going with that with the joint force 1540 01:02:47,816 --> 01:02:49,593 and next year we're to focus on 1541 01:02:49,593 --> 01:02:52,190 multinational partners . Ah Our efforts 1542 01:02:52,330 --> 01:02:55,690 would be severely impacted with a cr 1543 01:02:55,690 --> 01:02:57,634 because there's funding that we've 1544 01:02:57,634 --> 01:03:00,140 asked for 22 , that will help us set 1545 01:03:00,140 --> 01:03:03,280 conditions to execute Project 1546 01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,502 Convergence 22 that we won't be able to 1547 01:03:05,502 --> 01:03:07,391 put our hands on . And so all the 1548 01:03:07,391 --> 01:03:09,502 progress we've made over time for the 1549 01:03:09,502 --> 01:03:13,210 past two years will be slowed at 1550 01:03:13,210 --> 01:03:15,390 best , could be potentially stopped . 1551 01:03:15,390 --> 01:03:17,612 And as my colleagues have said multiple 1552 01:03:17,612 --> 01:03:20,240 times , our adversaries are not having 1553 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,230 the same problems with consistent , 1554 01:03:23,230 --> 01:03:26,670 predictable timely uh funding 1555 01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,930 for these various programs . And so , 1556 01:03:29,940 --> 01:03:33,630 uh project convergence is huge for the 1557 01:03:33,630 --> 01:03:35,950 United States Army and we've got to 1558 01:03:35,950 --> 01:03:38,117 have the funding to be able to do that 1559 01:03:38,117 --> 01:03:40,006 and without any anomalies and the 1560 01:03:40,006 --> 01:03:42,172 ability to reprogram it will , it will 1561 01:03:42,172 --> 01:03:44,380 be virtually impossible to do that . 1562 01:03:44,390 --> 01:03:47,560 And so I look , I sincerely urge 1563 01:03:47,560 --> 01:03:49,820 congress to move forward with 1564 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,440 Appropriating the FY 22 budget . Thank 1565 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:57,090 you . Thank you . Mr 1566 01:03:57,090 --> 01:04:01,040 Kilmer mister , you've got a minute 1567 01:04:01,040 --> 01:04:02,740 left . I thought you said you 1568 01:04:02,750 --> 01:04:04,750 accidentally hit the wrong button . 1569 01:04:04,750 --> 01:04:08,010 Okay . I can say that the family 1570 01:04:08,850 --> 01:04:11,820 and our thoughts and prayers . Family 1571 01:04:11,820 --> 01:04:15,390 has given a lot to the United States 1572 01:04:16,210 --> 01:04:18,488 an awful lot to the United States Army . 1573 01:04:18,790 --> 01:04:22,330 We all want to be thinking about , get 1574 01:04:22,330 --> 01:04:24,850 the sacrifices , you die right here . 1575 01:04:24,850 --> 01:04:27,440 No family . Just give it for our nation . 1576 01:04:28,090 --> 01:04:30,610 I'm proud to call them . My friends . 1577 01:04:30,990 --> 01:04:33,600 Thank you madam Chairman . I reflect 1578 01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:35,670 those words Well said mr carter and 1579 01:04:35,670 --> 01:04:37,670 thank you so much for saying that , 1580 01:04:38,190 --> 01:04:41,220 appreciate it . Um Mr Kilmer , 1581 01:04:42,590 --> 01:04:44,920 thank you Madam chair . Uh , and thanks 1582 01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,330 to all the witnesses for being with us . 1583 01:04:47,340 --> 01:04:51,260 I had two questions and they're both 1584 01:04:51,260 --> 01:04:55,110 for Admiral Guild a um first of 1585 01:04:55,110 --> 01:04:57,480 all I I know I don't need to emphasize 1586 01:04:57,480 --> 01:04:59,591 to you the importance of the shipyard 1587 01:04:59,591 --> 01:05:01,758 infrastructure optimization program or 1588 01:05:01,870 --> 01:05:05,070 the Navy's 20 year $21 billion dollar 1589 01:05:05,070 --> 01:05:07,070 effort to upgrade and modernize our 1590 01:05:07,070 --> 01:05:08,860 public shipyards . I very much 1591 01:05:08,860 --> 01:05:10,860 appreciate your past statements in 1592 01:05:10,860 --> 01:05:13,082 support of this program . I applaud the 1593 01:05:13,082 --> 01:05:14,916 Navy for appointing rear Admiral 1594 01:05:14,916 --> 01:05:16,804 Mcclelland as the head of the CIA 1595 01:05:16,804 --> 01:05:18,971 program office . I was lucky enough to 1596 01:05:18,971 --> 01:05:21,027 meet with him earlier this week . He 1597 01:05:21,027 --> 01:05:23,082 provided some valuable insights into 1598 01:05:23,082 --> 01:05:25,082 the program and I'm glad to see the 1599 01:05:25,082 --> 01:05:27,193 navy showing its commitment to to the 1600 01:05:27,193 --> 01:05:29,510 side up with with his appointment . Um 1601 01:05:30,190 --> 01:05:32,301 I think it's a big deal as we look to 1602 01:05:32,301 --> 01:05:34,600 restore and reinvest in our public 1603 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:36,822 shipyards , including puget sound Naval 1604 01:05:36,822 --> 01:05:38,989 shipyard in my neck of the woods . But 1605 01:05:38,989 --> 01:05:41,211 knowing the importance of the psyop and 1606 01:05:41,211 --> 01:05:43,156 also reading all of your testimony 1607 01:05:43,156 --> 01:05:45,100 about the impact and the potential 1608 01:05:45,100 --> 01:05:48,060 impact of a Cr um not just on 1609 01:05:48,060 --> 01:05:50,282 operations but on military construction 1610 01:05:50,282 --> 01:05:52,410 as well . I worry that any cR related 1611 01:05:52,410 --> 01:05:54,577 impacts to the program could lead to a 1612 01:05:54,577 --> 01:05:56,688 situation in which maintenance drives 1613 01:05:56,688 --> 01:05:58,577 operations instead of maintenance 1614 01:05:58,577 --> 01:06:00,743 supporting operation . So with that in 1615 01:06:00,743 --> 01:06:02,854 mind , can you just share what impact 1616 01:06:02,854 --> 01:06:04,799 the full year CR would have on the 1617 01:06:04,799 --> 01:06:08,120 psyop ? Yes , sir . There's a there's a 1618 01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,342 few areas we're gonna see impacts . The 1619 01:06:10,342 --> 01:06:12,176 first would be uh in the ongoing 1620 01:06:12,176 --> 01:06:14,342 project of Portsmouth's naval shipyard 1621 01:06:14,342 --> 01:06:16,509 up in New Hampshire and Maine . And so 1622 01:06:16,509 --> 01:06:19,050 uh my unfunded lists , I requested 225 1623 01:06:19,050 --> 01:06:21,330 million for phase project up there for 1624 01:06:21,330 --> 01:06:23,497 a dry dog that needs to be revitalized 1625 01:06:23,497 --> 01:06:25,608 because they're actually single digit 1626 01:06:25,608 --> 01:06:27,830 days a year . We can bring your ship in 1627 01:06:27,830 --> 01:06:29,830 and out of dry dock there . Our dry 1628 01:06:29,830 --> 01:06:31,886 docks . Uh the 18 of them across our 1629 01:06:31,886 --> 01:06:34,052 four shipyards . The average age is 97 1630 01:06:34,052 --> 01:06:36,219 years old . We haven't touched them in 1631 01:06:36,219 --> 01:06:38,330 a century . This is once in a century 1632 01:06:38,330 --> 01:06:39,997 work . The new Virginia class 1633 01:06:39,997 --> 01:06:41,997 submarines that were building their 1634 01:06:41,997 --> 01:06:44,219 longer , they have a payload section in 1635 01:06:44,219 --> 01:06:46,386 them that brings considerable locality 1636 01:06:46,386 --> 01:06:48,219 to the fight . Uh and so because 1637 01:06:48,219 --> 01:06:50,441 they're bigger and the dry docks , uh , 1638 01:06:50,441 --> 01:06:52,608 they , they're , they're too large for 1639 01:06:52,608 --> 01:06:54,386 the dry docks . And so for that 1640 01:06:54,386 --> 01:06:56,497 particular dry dog up their imports . 1641 01:06:56,497 --> 01:06:58,608 But we need to finish that project In 1642 01:06:58,608 --> 01:07:00,774 time for 28 to get the first subject , 1643 01:07:00,774 --> 01:07:02,941 the first Virginia class from the East 1644 01:07:02,941 --> 01:07:05,052 Coast and maintenance . And that will 1645 01:07:05,052 --> 01:07:07,108 be delayed . Uh , and we're not sure 1646 01:07:07,108 --> 01:07:08,941 how specifically we'd be able to 1647 01:07:08,941 --> 01:07:11,340 mitigate that delay separately . We're 1648 01:07:11,340 --> 01:07:13,229 in the process of identifying and 1649 01:07:13,229 --> 01:07:16,000 hiring 42 subject matter experts who 1650 01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:18,167 are coming from industry real patriots 1651 01:07:18,167 --> 01:07:20,450 to join this effort , uh , and that the 1652 01:07:20,450 --> 01:07:22,117 hiring of those individuals , 1653 01:07:22,117 --> 01:07:24,730 individuals will be delayed will do the 1654 01:07:24,730 --> 01:07:27,070 best we can to try and uh , try and 1655 01:07:27,070 --> 01:07:29,237 entice them to , to stay with us . But 1656 01:07:29,237 --> 01:07:31,014 I think it's , it's going to be 1657 01:07:31,014 --> 01:07:33,470 difficult , as you're aware , besides 1658 01:07:33,470 --> 01:07:35,581 the dry dock work , we're also trying 1659 01:07:35,581 --> 01:07:37,581 to accelerate , uh , infrastructure 1660 01:07:37,581 --> 01:07:40,080 works . So these are these shipyards 1661 01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,191 because they're over 100 years old or 1662 01:07:42,191 --> 01:07:44,247 like Frankenstein's in a way that we 1663 01:07:44,247 --> 01:07:46,358 just added buildings . And so they're 1664 01:07:46,358 --> 01:07:48,191 very inefficient with respect to 1665 01:07:48,191 --> 01:07:51,010 workflow of pump work valve work that 1666 01:07:51,010 --> 01:07:52,954 flows through these yards . And so 1667 01:07:52,954 --> 01:07:54,788 we're taking a look at , through 1668 01:07:54,788 --> 01:07:57,170 modeling how we can best recapitalize 1669 01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:59,281 this infrastructure in a way that's , 1670 01:07:59,281 --> 01:08:01,337 that accelerates , that gives us the 1671 01:08:01,337 --> 01:08:03,559 best efficiency , the best optimization 1672 01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:06,430 And it will delay that work that we're 1673 01:08:06,430 --> 01:08:08,810 trying to do for infrastructure . So 1674 01:08:08,810 --> 01:08:11,070 this is milk con and and also projects 1675 01:08:11,070 --> 01:08:13,237 that fall below the milk on level that 1676 01:08:13,237 --> 01:08:15,403 would allow us to reinvest in critical 1677 01:08:15,403 --> 01:08:17,459 infrastructure . It'll delay that as 1678 01:08:17,459 --> 01:08:20,200 well . Probably 1-2 years sir . And 1679 01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,820 I'll pause there . Let me 1680 01:08:23,830 --> 01:08:27,570 um if I could admiral in your 1681 01:08:27,570 --> 01:08:29,737 written testimony , you also mentioned 1682 01:08:29,737 --> 01:08:31,959 the impacts of the Cr on the operations 1683 01:08:31,959 --> 01:08:34,181 of our public and private shipyards and 1684 01:08:34,181 --> 01:08:36,181 specifically referenced some of the 1685 01:08:36,181 --> 01:08:38,181 potential delays or cancelations of 1686 01:08:38,181 --> 01:08:40,348 maintenance maintenance availabilities 1687 01:08:40,348 --> 01:08:43,290 for five attack subs two carriers and 1688 01:08:43,290 --> 01:08:45,346 just the cascading impacts that will 1689 01:08:45,346 --> 01:08:47,234 have on our ship yard maintenance 1690 01:08:47,234 --> 01:08:49,346 availabilities well into the future . 1691 01:08:49,346 --> 01:08:51,457 Hope you could just expand on some of 1692 01:08:51,457 --> 01:08:53,623 those written comments and provide the 1693 01:08:53,623 --> 01:08:55,790 committee some additional insight into 1694 01:08:55,790 --> 01:08:57,734 those future delays to maintenance 1695 01:08:57,734 --> 01:08:57,690 availabilities under a potential 1696 01:08:57,690 --> 01:09:00,050 yearlong cr and how will these 1697 01:09:00,060 --> 01:09:02,171 maintenance availability , delays and 1698 01:09:02,171 --> 01:09:04,282 cancelations impact our capability to 1699 01:09:04,282 --> 01:09:06,449 compete with china and other near peer 1700 01:09:06,449 --> 01:09:09,240 competitors ? Yes . So you you said it 1701 01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:11,462 very happy when you said it . What what 1702 01:09:11,462 --> 01:09:13,573 what it creates a situation where you 1703 01:09:13,573 --> 01:09:15,684 have maintenance leading operations , 1704 01:09:15,684 --> 01:09:15,380 which is not where you want to be . And 1705 01:09:15,380 --> 01:09:18,210 so our availabilities are maintenance 1706 01:09:18,210 --> 01:09:20,043 availabilities for those nuclear 1707 01:09:20,043 --> 01:09:22,210 powered vessels that really planned uh 1708 01:09:22,210 --> 01:09:24,210 toe to heel . As soon as we're done 1709 01:09:24,210 --> 01:09:26,432 with one , we're bringing in the next . 1710 01:09:26,432 --> 01:09:28,488 That's that's the way the production 1711 01:09:28,488 --> 01:09:30,432 line works . That's how we're most 1712 01:09:30,432 --> 01:09:32,599 efficient and this is going to cause a 1713 01:09:32,599 --> 01:09:34,599 perturbation and we saw this during 1714 01:09:34,599 --> 01:09:36,766 sequestration and we're still catching 1715 01:09:36,766 --> 01:09:38,932 up a decade later . We can't afford to 1716 01:09:38,932 --> 01:09:38,750 do that based on where we are now with 1717 01:09:38,750 --> 01:09:40,650 china for all the reasons my 1718 01:09:40,650 --> 01:09:42,650 contemporaries and Secretary McCord 1719 01:09:42,650 --> 01:09:44,761 stated earlier . And so this is gonna 1720 01:09:44,761 --> 01:09:46,983 this is gonna cause a perturbation that 1721 01:09:46,983 --> 01:09:49,290 were yet we're still unraveling in 1722 01:09:49,290 --> 01:09:51,760 terms of operational schedules to keep 1723 01:09:51,770 --> 01:09:53,826 carrier strike groups and amphibious 1724 01:09:53,826 --> 01:09:55,881 ready groups on point in the Western 1725 01:09:55,881 --> 01:09:58,159 pacific and beyond . I'll positive sir , 1726 01:09:58,270 --> 01:10:00,381 thank you . Thank you madam Chair , I 1727 01:10:00,381 --> 01:10:04,330 yield back thank you . I was looking 1728 01:10:04,330 --> 01:10:06,860 on the screen to see Mr Diaz Ballard Mr 1729 01:10:06,860 --> 01:10:09,027 Diaz Balart , are you present to ask a 1730 01:10:09,027 --> 01:10:11,193 question ? Sometimes people turn their 1731 01:10:11,193 --> 01:10:14,980 cameras off , give him another minute . 1732 01:10:15,860 --> 01:10:17,916 Mr Adam Hold if you're there you can 1733 01:10:17,916 --> 01:10:18,916 certainly go , 1734 01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:28,970 it appears Mr calvert that those 1735 01:10:28,970 --> 01:10:32,140 members are not there . Do you can do 1736 01:10:32,140 --> 01:10:35,890 you confer with that ? Apparently not . 1737 01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:39,490 So I'm sure . So if you'd like to 1738 01:10:39,500 --> 01:10:42,030 make a closing summary statement , I'll 1739 01:10:42,030 --> 01:10:44,330 make I'll make mine um Sir . Sure , 1740 01:10:44,340 --> 01:10:47,760 sure . Thank you . Um I 1741 01:10:47,770 --> 01:10:50,130 appreciate the witnesses being here 1742 01:10:50,130 --> 01:10:54,050 today and um 1743 01:10:54,060 --> 01:10:56,171 we've we've had a lot of difficulties 1744 01:10:56,171 --> 01:10:57,949 of late and trying to get these 1745 01:10:57,949 --> 01:11:00,710 appropriation bills complete and that's 1746 01:11:00,900 --> 01:11:03,690 unfortunate and while we're doing that 1747 01:11:03,690 --> 01:11:05,579 we've seen our adversaries become 1748 01:11:05,860 --> 01:11:09,200 folder because weakness is provocative 1749 01:11:09,210 --> 01:11:11,210 certainly are hasty withdrawal from 1750 01:11:11,210 --> 01:11:13,321 Afghanistan was a signal to the world 1751 01:11:13,660 --> 01:11:15,771 that this administration will abandon 1752 01:11:15,771 --> 01:11:17,827 our allies risk the lives of U . S . 1753 01:11:17,827 --> 01:11:19,716 Service members and even leave us 1754 01:11:19,716 --> 01:11:21,604 citizens behind . That was a very 1755 01:11:21,604 --> 01:11:23,604 unfortunate situation and now we're 1756 01:11:23,604 --> 01:11:26,000 facing an unfortunate situation both in 1757 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:29,610 europe and in Taiwan and there's 1758 01:11:29,620 --> 01:11:33,240 uh I think our friend Mr Churchill said 1759 01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,880 many years ago , The worst two words in 1760 01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:38,970 English language is too late . So we 1761 01:11:38,970 --> 01:11:42,220 have a responsibility to get this , get 1762 01:11:42,220 --> 01:11:45,690 this bill done . I know we all want to 1763 01:11:45,690 --> 01:11:47,857 get it done and the people say there's 1764 01:11:47,857 --> 01:11:49,980 not any offers on the table . Let me 1765 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:52,880 let me reiterate what the former 1766 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:56,550 chairman of this committee said about 1767 01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:58,930 revisionist history . We all know that 1768 01:11:58,930 --> 01:12:01,450 these like the framework has always 1769 01:12:01,450 --> 01:12:05,230 been that these legacy writers remain 1770 01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:08,770 in these poison pills go out . That's 1771 01:12:08,770 --> 01:12:11,880 what happened last year . Before that , 1772 01:12:11,890 --> 01:12:14,001 the year before that . And so I would 1773 01:12:14,001 --> 01:12:16,223 hope that that understanding we can get 1774 01:12:16,223 --> 01:12:20,060 to the table and negotiate this bill , 1775 01:12:20,060 --> 01:12:22,116 bring the defense numbers up the non 1776 01:12:22,116 --> 01:12:24,380 defense discretionary down . Let's get 1777 01:12:24,380 --> 01:12:27,970 this done by at least February 18 for 1778 01:12:27,970 --> 01:12:30,081 the men and women who are serving the 1779 01:12:30,081 --> 01:12:32,081 United States military . That Madam 1780 01:12:32,081 --> 01:12:35,430 Chair , I yield back you 1781 01:12:35,580 --> 01:12:38,880 and um I am not 1782 01:12:39,650 --> 01:12:41,372 in a position to disagree with 1783 01:12:41,372 --> 01:12:43,372 everything that's happened in every 1784 01:12:43,372 --> 01:12:45,539 appropriation committee in the history 1785 01:12:45,539 --> 01:12:47,706 of Humankind here in the United States 1786 01:12:47,706 --> 01:12:50,290 capitol . But um the the conference 1787 01:12:50,290 --> 01:12:52,346 committees , I've been involved in , 1788 01:12:52,346 --> 01:12:55,020 the writers were left to the end . We 1789 01:12:55,020 --> 01:12:57,940 had our budget agreement for what our 1790 01:12:57,950 --> 01:13:00,006 new target was between the House and 1791 01:13:00,006 --> 01:13:02,228 the Senate that we had to spend up to . 1792 01:13:02,228 --> 01:13:06,160 And so I You know everybody's 1793 01:13:06,160 --> 01:13:08,382 had different experiences up here and I 1794 01:13:08,382 --> 01:13:10,493 just have to say that those have been 1795 01:13:10,493 --> 01:13:14,380 my experiences , another uh point I'd 1796 01:13:14,380 --> 01:13:17,840 like to bring out and um yes . Um 1797 01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,990 President Biden's budget came out on 1798 01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:22,640 May 28 . That was his first budget in 1799 01:13:22,650 --> 01:13:25,040 his first year as president . President 1800 01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,960 trump's budget came out on May 23rd as 1801 01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,016 a five day different , but President 1802 01:13:30,016 --> 01:13:32,071 biden was dealing with an assault on 1803 01:13:32,071 --> 01:13:34,182 our capitol on january 6th as well as 1804 01:13:34,182 --> 01:13:37,430 covid in preparing his budget . So I I 1805 01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:39,218 I just wanted to make sure that 1806 01:13:39,218 --> 01:13:41,040 everybody understood that all 1807 01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:43,207 presidents first year budgets come out 1808 01:13:43,207 --> 01:13:45,590 a little late . Um Today was an 1809 01:13:45,590 --> 01:13:47,590 opportunity not only to recommit 1810 01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:49,534 ourselves as appropriators on this 1811 01:13:49,534 --> 01:13:51,257 subcommittee , but on the full 1812 01:13:51,257 --> 01:13:53,423 committee , which we all served to get 1813 01:13:53,423 --> 01:13:56,980 our job done on time and now to really 1814 01:13:56,980 --> 01:14:00,660 push leadership to make sure that we um 1815 01:14:00,670 --> 01:14:03,730 finish this appropriations process by 1816 01:14:03,740 --> 01:14:06,060 the february date that we've agreed to . 1817 01:14:07,640 --> 01:14:11,110 Um I I want to also say that this was 1818 01:14:11,110 --> 01:14:13,800 an opportunity I believe to educate our 1819 01:14:13,800 --> 01:14:16,250 colleagues , those who don't understand 1820 01:14:16,250 --> 01:14:18,417 the work that we do , the impacts that 1821 01:14:18,417 --> 01:14:21,420 Crs have . And as many of my colleagues 1822 01:14:21,420 --> 01:14:24,420 on the other side said CRS are just not 1823 01:14:24,430 --> 01:14:27,010 a good idea . We are all in agreement 1824 01:14:27,010 --> 01:14:29,560 with that gentlemen . I want to thank 1825 01:14:29,560 --> 01:14:31,671 you all for being here today . I want 1826 01:14:31,671 --> 01:14:33,671 to thank you for your testimony . I 1827 01:14:33,671 --> 01:14:35,640 also would like you to pass on our 1828 01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,230 thanks to those who serve in uniform 1829 01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:40,351 and the civilians who serve alongside 1830 01:14:40,351 --> 01:14:42,129 of you . Your work is very much 1831 01:14:42,129 --> 01:14:44,890 appreciated and we know that the work 1832 01:14:44,890 --> 01:14:47,870 you do keeps us safe , um , here at 1833 01:14:47,870 --> 01:14:51,570 home and keeps democracies vegan abroad 1834 01:14:51,580 --> 01:14:54,410 lit well , this concludes today's 1835 01:14:54,410 --> 01:14:57,480 proceeding . And as I said , once again , 1836 01:14:57,490 --> 01:14:59,546 from all of us , thank you to all of 1837 01:14:59,546 --> 01:15:01,379 our witnesses and members for an 1838 01:15:01,379 --> 01:15:03,601 enlightening discussion . And let's get 1839 01:15:03,601 --> 01:15:06,990 let's get the bills for 1840 01:15:06,990 --> 01:15:10,170 appropriations passed this february . 1841 01:15:10,180 --> 01:15:12,402 Thank you very much . And with that the 1842 01:15:12,402 --> 01:15:14,513 meeting is adjourned . The hearing is 1843 01:15:14,513 --> 01:15:15,270 adjourned . Thank you .